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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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we're back with gene and chris on the

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power cast and every so often

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we set up a session called a listener

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round table where some of our most

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active people from the forums are

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invited to be guests on the show

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and because we have such great people on

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our forums we have people there who know

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more about more things than we do

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which is why chris and i seem to be so

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smart especially me

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it's because we read all the posts from

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all these people who've got like 170 000

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posts

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over the various years of the power cast

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and a lot of them are words of wisdom

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so we are joined today by gogs makai

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who's also one of our forum

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administrators gogs welcome back how's

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it going gene nice to be back it's going

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great how are things in scotland we had

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a really good uh indian summer and the

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last couple of weeks was actually

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surprisingly turning to um to alton now

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all right

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in australia we have mike jones known as

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mike

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in our forums

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and we've talked to people on the other

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side of the world before and you have

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been one of

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our most

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prolific posters do you actually have a

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day job or is this all you do is post in

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the forums i am i am retired now g'day

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from the land down under everyone um i'm

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retired now but um i have plenty to do

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during the day uh i'm i'm surrounded by

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a zoo so to speak i spend most of my day

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feeding critters oh tell me more about

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the zoo well apart from the usual uh

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house pets i've got five dogs and

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goldfish you know and when i say

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goldfish tanks i'm talking 12 feet long

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and three feet wide some of these tanks

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and then there's all the native wildlife

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so i have kookaburras i've got uh nine

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woodland ducklings on on the pond at the

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at the moment i've got chickens down the

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back so yeah i'm absolutely surrounded

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by animals all the time

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we just have one dog

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and one wife and that's it the sun is

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off in madrid and well it would be

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quieter

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especially those kookaburras man they

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can really uh they can make quite a

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racket yeah well all the bird life up

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here does the dawn chorus and the dusk

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chorus um can be quite you know quite

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overwhelming that the noise up here i

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mean we're surrounded by parrots as well

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dawn and dusk is um quite intense now

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because of the time zone we got you to

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get up real early in the morning like

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three o'clock in the morning or

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something like that because of all the

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time zone changes

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so are you

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i hopefully awake for this i'm

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reasonably awake yes it's 3 14 in the

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morning down here but i've i've just

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chugged a very very large plunger of

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coffee so hopefully my hair will be

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standing on end in no time well we want

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to do that we want to make everybody's

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hair stand on end here on the power cast

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and some of the things we hear out there

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in the world you wonder let me give you

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something here which

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had come to my attention chris saw this

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a couple of weeks back

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and this was after we had jan harzan

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in a would be member

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in austria

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who says they won't take his membership

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and this guy's got

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you know some serious scientific

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credentials you saw the

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letter didn't you chris

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i did see the lender letter and i sent

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it off to jan and

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basically uh you know the guys got

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advanced postgraduate degrees

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i think two subjects and

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evidently in austria there's quite an

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elitist small group of mufon members

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that are all scientists and

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his credentials weren't

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i guess uh worthy enough

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for his inclusion in the local mufon

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chapter there which to me is ludicrous

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well you know supposedly they take

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almost anyone as a member i mean

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among mufon members were people like jim

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mosley

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in fact when jim mosely used to put the

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word james w mosley j dot s dot

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on issues of saucer smear

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js stood for journal subscriber

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because he was a subscriber to mufon

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i'm a member of mufon

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they take my money every year

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and they never complain and not that

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i've always been too kind to them which

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is different than some of the

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organizations of old

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the venerable organization that was

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headed by major donald kehoe would not

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accept jim mosley's membership so jim

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had to have someone else join

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under a different name

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i think apro probably wouldn't accept

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his membership either

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so you know a lot of crazy things happen

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in the ufo field but this is crazy we

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have a guy who

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has legitimate educational credentials

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he wants to be part of their work

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i don't know well i know you sent a

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letter to jan i did also well he was he

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was almost insulted uh

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and and jan was really backpedaling

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saying well you know i'm going to look

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into this and certainly you can be a

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a member of mufon

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but the guy i think because of the tenor

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austrian i think mufon chapter

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you know really turned him off and he

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was willing to dive in roll his sleeves

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up and get busy and wait talk about

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cutting off your nose despite your face

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i think that just you know attitude

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would be the primary thing thereafter

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you know if you're willing to matter

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quite if you have four advanced degrees

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mike you had a feeling on this

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uh i i guess i mean it boils down to

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politics from from from what i can see

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and and you know it's it's obviously an

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issue with the local chapter um and

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sometimes when you're dealing with sort

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of local groups of people then politics

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comes into play and the old adage of

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power shared power loss

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seems to come to mind i think that it

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sounds like the the um the elites that

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that are running the local chapter don't

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don't really want to share the credit

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around too much that they don't want to

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slice that pie

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any uh any thinner than i already do by

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the sounds of it

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well the problem is here the pie is

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pretty thin right now

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mufon today probably has no more members

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than they had 40 50 years ago

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so they're still hanging out so they are

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so yeah i i think i i think they should

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um they should let this guy join i mean

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the the main criteria for me is a

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passion for the subject i mean if you've

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got that then anything else is academic

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well the key being here though

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the criteria should be do you have the

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or do you have as long as you have

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nothing in your background that will

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reflect really negatively on them i mean

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if you are a hardened criminal you've

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imprisoned and you're serving a life

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sentence as a serial killer i guess

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supposedly i guess they wouldn't want

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your membership

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that would make sense

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it does make sense yeah but just

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a regular guy or somebody who has a

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scientific background boy we sure need

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people with scientific backgrounds and

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ufo research

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and this is really i think a serious

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issue for an organization like mufon

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because they've got to really embrace as

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serious people as possible

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we have a subject that still isn't taken

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seriously by too many people

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i i agree on the surface of it it sounds

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very strange as you say he has the the

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academic achievements to make him a

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valuable member he has the enthusiasm of

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the interest in the genre

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if there's nothing else precluding his

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joining such as the the aforementioned

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criminal history and or bad reputation

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then um

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i can't see any reason why they wouldn't

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let him join us that seems very strange

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listen they let me join

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what else can i save they'll let me join

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why wouldn't they let anyone else join

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actually they let me join nycap too even

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when they hated me and hated jim mosley

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back in the early days they were so

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desperate for the money they would take

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anyone and i would think here too

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mufon doesn't have

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a large amount of disposable income to

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go around for research

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and if anything they should be

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embracing as many members as possible

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and also trying to take it away from

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this

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so-called rotary club

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you know this middle american

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businessman image you want to get the

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young people involved in ufo research

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you know and chris and i and mike

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and to a lesser extent goggs are a

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couple of years older than that

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but we want to get the young people

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involved

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and i don't know that an organization

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like mufon really is able to do that i

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would say we're able to tell you that we

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have a listener round table

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and we have goggs makai from scotland

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mike jones from australia and gene and

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chris at least for now

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[Music]

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with gene and chris and the power cast

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listener round table with mike jones and

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goggs makai joining us we'll have a few

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questions from listeners later

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but we're just discussing the

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state or tragic state

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of ufo research and where we go with

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that

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and

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what's going to happen right now i guess

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the most important organization out

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there would probably be mufon

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in terms of

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publicity and everything else

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and we have someone in australia saying

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gee i'd like to be a member

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but they won't have me

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and it's not that i want to make a big

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deal of this because i do

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i really think that an organization like

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mufon needs to find ways to attract

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younger people people who text

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people who use twitter people who use

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facebook and people who use other social

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networks we old cadres know nothing

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about

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so i guess i'll ask all of you

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if you have any ideas and we'll start

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with mike because you're retired

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and therefore

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getting younger people involved in

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elements of paranormal research what do

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you think could be done i'm honestly not

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sure um i think it's one of these things

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that has to evolve organically and

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you've got to roll with it

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if i was this

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this person in austria i guess i would

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um take some solace and i think it's

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that quote by groucho marx which is any

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club that would have me as a member i

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don't want to be a member of not that

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that's um pertinent to what we're

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discussing today which is in order

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how to get the membership to move on

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them you know up and running and i

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really don't know how they do it but i

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do agree that um they need fresh blood

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in any organization needs fresh blood or

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you stagnate and die

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well it's partly here about the ufo

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field in general whether this sort of

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study

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can attract younger people it's almost

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unfortunate if it doesn't you know it

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they've it's really got to be at a point

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here where we have what should be the

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most amazing mystery of our time we have

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this stuff happening

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ufos

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weird things being seen in the sky and

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on the ground

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some people saying they were abducted

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all sorts of events that seem to

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surround the mystery

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and that's got to interest almost

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anybody

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but instead i think the demographic's

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not that good yeah i think you've hit

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the nail on the head i think the word

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mystery is an important word because i

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think

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there's been an evolution in the mindset

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of people when when i was young it was a

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genuine mystery and it was a genuine

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question to which there were no answers

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whereas today when you look at some of

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the polls you know you're looking at you

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know half the population believes that

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the ufos are real and half the

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population believes that et is here and

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and when you get that so the mystery

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sort of goes out of it i think when when

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when the when the popular

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mindset is sort of saying yeah yeah

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they're here yeah we recognize that and

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you know it's it's sort of it's no

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longer a mystery it's some it's for the

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same reason we don't seem to explore

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those wild spaces on our own planet

453
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anymore because it's all been done it's

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it's there's nothing left to see

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i think that's a really good point mike

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uh

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i think it's just kind of a knee-jerk

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assumption now by the younger generation

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that

460
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yeah well

461
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yeah there's ufos yeah there's aliens

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haven't you ever seen the star wars

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movie they go into the bar and there's

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like 30 different alien types in there

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the the mystery and the allure i think

466
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has gone out of it largely for the

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younger generation

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and it's too fast-paced i mean all you

469
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have to do is click on your smartphone

470
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uh get on your computer you can find out

471
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anything that you want uh you don't

472
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really have to

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use your powers of discernment i think

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the younger generation is

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is it's fairly discerning but at the

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same time i think they're being so

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overwhelmed

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with questionable data and questionable

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information that a lot of them i think

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just tune out okay yeah i've given a lot

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of thought to um how we can encourage

482
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younger people into the ufo topic and i

483
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kind of looked inward thinking

484
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well how did i get into it myself but i

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don't think it's a subject that you can

486
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kind of even encourage anyone to get

487
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into it's it's something as mike said

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you you either get into organically or

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like what happened with yourself gene

490
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you know a book was left on a table but

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it was you that took the interest into

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that

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and

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i think people have to find it for

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themselves you can you know you can give

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them the options but they have to find

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it and i think actually it's one of

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those subjects if you try to push people

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into it they might kind of even resist

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and say well no i'm not interested in

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that and chris hit on the point that i

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was also thinking that

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with the internet and with uh you know

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smartphones and everything maybe and the

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amount of

506
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tv channels maybe there's it's just like

507
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reached um saturation point or for

508
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people that there's so much choice that

509
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the the mystique the magic the interest

510
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that we get from the ufo mystery well

511
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you know there's lots of sci-fi

512
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there's lots of whatever to be

513
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interested in but you know say back in

514
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the 60s and 70s there was sci-fi movies

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the whatever little there was on tv

516
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there were some magazines and stuff but

517
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all those things every single one of

518
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those choices has been multiplied by a

519
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factor of you know a hundred more

520
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and

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ufos the way we're into it is just kind

522
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of slotted right in there amongst a

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whole host of other things

524
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and i don't really know how to make it

525
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stand out i don't know if you even can

526
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and you know we we had a

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third phase of the moon

528
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discussed on here and it's it's being

529
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it's very popular but you know compared

530
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to some other sites but

531
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is it doing anything positive in terms

532
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of actually attracting people that

533
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regardless of whether it has fake videos

534
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or not i i just don't know if the ufo

535
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topic is something that you can

536
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encourage someone into you can

537
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make the circumstance that it's

538
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available to them

539
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to get into if they wish but i don't

540
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think you can push anyone into it and i

541
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i i think everyone all four of us here

542
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came to it ourselves uh no one i i knew

543
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actually um when i was younger was into

544
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ufos and very few people still are i

545
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still do still know a few people are

546
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into ufos

547
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so um

548
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i think one time years ago when we used

549
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to try to look at the size of the ufo

550
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,480
field this is in the days when i worked

551
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with jim mosley but that's back in the

552
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1960s but i don't know if it's very

553
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different we would figure there were

554
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maybe a few hundred hardcore people

555
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:10,880
who really followed the subject

556
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and to the rest it was oh okay you know

557
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they sort of were interested but they

558
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weren't really dedicated to what it is

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today i think

560
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ufos in general it's all a big reality

561
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show to most people they look at ufos

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they don't think of it in terms

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of something real that may impact their

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lives unless they've seen something or

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they know somebody who's had a really

566
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frightening encounter when they see it

567
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on tvs well the tv shows are reality

568
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shows it's not real you know it's like

569
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the real housewives of beverly hills or

570
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new jersey it's just a show

571
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why should we even take it seriously

572
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let's get back to watching football or

573
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getting back to whatever we get back to

574
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:54,559
it's not something that we would

575
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consider in a very serious way because

576
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it is not presented seriously it is not

577
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presented as something

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that has incredible implications

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to our world because you know i think

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things would be definitely funny you

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should mention that i i just had a long

582
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conversation yesterday with with the the

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head of development for a really big

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production company out in hollywood

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who's produced 65 tv shows and

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many of which

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here in america we've all heard of some

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of them

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less noteworthy than others um let's

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have you finish that answer on our next

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segment okay okay all right we're going

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hi this is don ecker and you are tuned

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in to the paracast let me tell you what

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you're going to hear stuff here that you

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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

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that george snorri

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[Laughter]

702
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hey

703
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you sounded like humphrey bogart

704
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yeah now this guy's got a voice you know

705
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that was great

706
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you gotta have to learn to do voiceovers

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mike you know get yourself a better

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microphone i have been asked to do radio

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once before years and years and years

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ago well you know what get yourself a

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really good mic

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you know if you're willing to invest a

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little bit of your retirement income on

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a good mic and will

715
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have a ball okay so chris was talking

716
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about speaking with

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this big production company does a lot

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of tv

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and

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he was

721
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obviously getting feedback and i expect

722
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that feedback is not going to be too

723
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promising is it well you know actually

724
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there it is kind of promising because i

725
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i think i was able to take her

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um and readjust her thinking basically

727
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she was calling saying look um you know

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i

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know we want to put together

730
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um a show it's already sold

731
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all we have to do is figure out the best

732
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way to do it and put together a show

733
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,440
about ufo investigators we want a team

734
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,760
and i said wait a minute

735
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have you been watching the last 10 years

736
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and i rattled off all the shows that

737
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tried to do this and really

738
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,480
for the most part failed miserably

739
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,720
sci-fi investigates chasing ufos most

740
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,039
notably come to mind but she says well

741
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that's that's what the networks want i

742
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mean they have a very narrow focus they

743
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they're very comfortable in their box

744
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they don't if it ain't broke they don't

745
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want to fix it

746
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and i and i reminded her that that

747
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,120
particular approach that reality show

748
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,520
approach of constantly going around and

749
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talking to people about anecdotal

750
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sightings

751
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uh maybe

752
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:05,600
every three or four shows you happen to

753
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,399
get a clip or a photograph i said people

754
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,960
are bored with that you need to really

755
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,440
take this thing to the next level and i

756
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,679
suggested a number of ideas of how to

757
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,240
make this this whole idea of reality

758
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,399
television which is the model right now

759
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,799
whether we like it or not the networks

760
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,120
it's very inexpensive to produce these

761
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,520
shows relatively speaking to a dramatic

762
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,679
show and um and and this is what people

763
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seem to want in the audience so

764
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i gave her a whole list of ideas and she

765
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she i actually was able to turn her head

766
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show her the light and give her

767
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a sense of how we could take

768
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the broadcast side of ufology and and

769
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,840
paranormal uh investigation in general

770
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and take it to the next level so there

771
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,600
may be hope now we're talking about the

772
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head of development for

773
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you know a very prestigious production

774
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company out out in in california and

775
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you know i think that they're they've

776
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got to see the writing on the wall when

777
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a show like chasing ufos

778
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fails so miserably and i think that

779
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,880
right now the time is right for these

780
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,799
people to possibly take a little bit of

781
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,880
a chance and really start to try to move

782
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,559
this thing forward

783
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,960
mike you want to comment or goggs

784
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:18,720
oh god just going to quickly comment

785
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:22,000
chris um how about uh would they ever

786
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cover the

787
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slv camera project was that mentioned at

788
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all

789
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,039
well again they're they're looking at a

790
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complete tv show series so they want to

791
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try to you know like an ancient aliens

792
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,000
uh go for five six seven years i don't

793
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:37,760
think there's enough i mean obviously

794
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that that would be a

795
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a subject and

796
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,279
and a show or two or an ongoing theme

797
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,000
within the series of course um i i never

798
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,720
even brought that up uh at this point

799
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,799
uh basically i was just trying to to

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show her

801
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,799
that

802
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,120
people are are really tired of the same

803
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,360
old thing you know of of recov

804
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recovering roswell

805
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,080
the phoenix lights gulf breeze you can

806
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,399
just rattle off the cases that in every

807
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,240
show of this type they're always going

808
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to be going back to these shows

809
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,720
and i'm sorry it's like trying to for

810
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,200
years you go to a conference and

811
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,039
and stanton friedman will be talking and

812
00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:16,880
he would literally word for word give

813
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,520
the same presentation i mean

814
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,600
the younger generation uh people that

815
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,320
have uh been involved in this field

816
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:26,880
and the old-timers i think are all tired

817
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:30,000
of rehashing the same material we need

818
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:30,799
to

819
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,919
and that would be

820
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um looking at it from a a

821
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,960
cross-discipline sort of way when you go

822
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,960
to a place it's not the people that

823
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:42,720
should be the focus it should be the

824
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:45,679
place what else is going on like in in

825
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ellsbury missouri for instance in 1979

826
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:50,240
just to give you an example

827
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,519
ufologists showed up uh in this town and

828
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were dismayed when they found out that

829
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bigfoot was also being associated with

830
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,279
the mutilations uh

831
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:01,840
that were occurring there uh ufos are

832
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,039
being associated mystery helicopters

833
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,840
people need to open those blinders that

834
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:10,000
they have on and start to realize that

835
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,159
all a lot of this stuff appears to be

836
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:14,559
interrelated whether we like it or not

837
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,760
and we need to to look more at the place

838
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,320
than specific events and people i think

839
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,840
there are indications of something

840
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:24,159
special about a place

841
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,080
the area in scotland or

842
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,640
that you're in it has an incredible

843
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,559
amount of very very interesting uh

844
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,399
historical information

845
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,720
you know you have kind of one a ufo

846
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:36,000
triangle there

847
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,120
um

848
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,120
you know anywhere you go in australia

849
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:40,880
there's areas that are that are just

850
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,760
fascinating we have yowie sightings and

851
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,080
all sorts of you know stuff that the

852
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,080
outside world isn't really that aware of

853
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:50,159
i think the new and different approach

854
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,279
to this is to look at it in context to

855
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,760
other unexplained mysteries and this

856
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,519
approach has never been tried before and

857
00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:00,240
i i really think that uh i might might

858
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,200
have

859
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:03,120
at least put a bug in her ear and uh

860
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:04,480
she's very interested and wants me

861
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,600
immediately to send her a proposal so

862
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,640
chris how as you're saying i i you know

863
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:12,799
all that sounds great to me

864
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:15,279
but as you're saying the reality show is

865
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,399
the show du jour and how can those

866
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,399
things you're talking about how can they

867
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:23,200
be encompassed in a show that is going

868
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,760
to be in a kind of reality format are

869
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,120
you trying to say that you tried to

870
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,120
convince her to go away from the reality

871
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,919
form no no use use the reality format

872
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,519
have a team of experts each one

873
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,200
specializing in a particular thing i'm

874
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,279
giving away all my my ideas here on the

875
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,279
air but yeah i'm writing them down here

876
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:41,200
and i'll have my agent contact all the

877
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:44,480
production companies in advance yeah

878
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,279
basically have uh each character be an

879
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:49,679
expert in their particular field of

880
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,880
of study

881
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,399
or investigation

882
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:55,200
and have them look at a particular area

883
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:57,760
from a particular area of expertise and

884
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,080
then combine them all have analysts have

885
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:02,080
on the on the ground investigators have

886
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,200
you know people that are more

887
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,000
sociologically inclined have research

888
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,679
people and have them all be part of a

889
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,599
team kind of like a csi thing you have

890
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:11,359
your your forensic

891
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,839
on the ground uh people looking for

892
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,440
evidence you have your people that are

893
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,359
interviewing real people people that are

894
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:19,679
interviewing the participants or or

895
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,159
witnesses you have your analysts who are

896
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,480
analyzing the data and you have your

897
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,560
your big picture theorists who are

898
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,800
looking at all the constituent elements

899
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,639
in different parts and then and then

900
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,720
kind of piecing them together to come up

901
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,800
with an overall picture so basically

902
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,720
what i'm on champion in what i'm

903
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,720
suggesting is the place should be the

904
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,280
star the people and the the events

905
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:43,200
should be the supportive material and

906
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,000
you can still have that uh as you put

907
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,399
reality show du jour interaction of

908
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,119
characters and the the actual team can

909
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,879
have their disagreements and and their

910
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,399
different points of view and that sort

911
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,399
of thing to to have that sort of person

912
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,119
personality element there but but i

913
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:01,200
think it needs to be opened up i i you

914
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:04,079
can't go in like some investigators did

915
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,599
in elsbury missouri in 79 and when they

916
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:09,200
heard about bigfoot they didn't want to

917
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,720
talk about it when they heard about

918
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,400
this particular type of thing or

919
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,119
aberrant societal behavior it was too

920
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,960
much for them they just wanted to focus

921
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:19,520
on their individual interests i can see

922
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,920
it already you know taking that great

923
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,839
idea with all these different people

924
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,920
with their different expertise the way

925
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,680
the tv producers are going to do it you

926
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,119
know the end result is going to be

927
00:35:32,589 --> 00:35:31,119
something like this you know

928
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:32,599
david the

929
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,520
cryptozoologist has fallen out with jack

930
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,839
the engineer and then it's going to show

931
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,680
you them talking to their friends or

932
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,880
something and they're going to turn it

933
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,640
into some big brother things so you've

934
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,560
got the basic idea what you're saying

935
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,960
exactly which would be great but then

936
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,720
they're going to turn it into well what

937
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,640
are they gossiping about instead of

938
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,160
actually looking at the mystery that's

939
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,839
what i'm worried about that they'll turn

940
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,920
it into something like that well

941
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:57,599
unfortunately when in rome you gotta

942
00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:00,720
speak uh latin you know or now italians

943
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,440
so

944
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:03,920
you know this is what is driving uh

945
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:06,640
right now popular broadcast uh media in

946
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:09,280
in america and it's starting to really

947
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impact other markets around the world

948
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people you know for the most part i

949
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think live pretty

950
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fairly regular almost dull uninteresting

951
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lives and so they need this kind of i

952
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don't know sort of drama for lack of a

953
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better term to make something seem uh

954
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more compelling than what they you know

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1064
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1065
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1066
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1067
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,960
with gene and chris and the power cast

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1070
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1073
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1074
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audience goggs is from scotland

1075
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and

1076
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in arizona now but we've been in other

1077
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places and we're trying to talk about

1078
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well if a network is going to produce

1079
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a ufo related show

1080
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,800
how do you set up how do you do

1081
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,720
investigations

1082
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,880
and what do you emphasize and the thing

1083
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:50,880
that chris brought out is the fact

1084
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:53,680
that we look at the location first

1085
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:55,839
because we want to see why

1086
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,119
or what about that area attracts

1087
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,440
strange things strange events

1088
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,520
so i was going to say remember when um i

1089
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:05,440
think it was colin keller

1090
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,440
mentioned that um nids uh had either

1091
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were already interested in or had been

1092
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made aware of

1093
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in quotes several other areas in the

1094
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continental us that had activity like

1095
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,599
the sherman ranch also known as the

1096
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skinwalker ranch

1097
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,800
so i i've

1098
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:27,119
i would be interested to know you know

1099
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,119
where else there

1100
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,160
is stuff like that going on and i know

1101
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,800
marley woods has been put forward by ted

1102
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,280
phillips as a place like that

1103
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,880
i'm sure he's mentioned somewhere in

1104
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,560
romania that's something that sticks in

1105
00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:43,280
my head but anyway so there apparently

1106
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:46,680
there are locations that have this

1107
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:49,520
multi-paranormal thing going on

1108
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,480
in and around ufos and yeah i think that

1109
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:55,280
would be absolutely dynamite for at

1110
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,800
least for us anyway as a ufo liking

1111
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,640
audience um

1112
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:03,200
so if they could find any kind of areas

1113
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,240
with

1114
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:06,400
you know interesting stuff like that i'd

1115
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,760
be all for it but chris uh i understand

1116
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:11,119
you don't want to give everything away

1117
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,480
that you're trying to

1118
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:14,640
you know get shows off of and stuff and

1119
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:17,760
that um but are you aware of any kind of

1120
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,079
active areas that you would think even

1121
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,920
if you don't tell us where they are

1122
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,839
are you aware of any really yeah there's

1123
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,520
many of them uh

1124
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,560
i could rattle off a dozen uh just off

1125
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,920
the top of my head

1126
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:31,680
basically we i've talked about this on

1127
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,240
the show before i've got a formula that

1128
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,000
i've sort of put together over the years

1129
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:38,240
of five different uh points

1130
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,640
that if a particular area has the

1131
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:42,800
criteria to meet these five different

1132
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,760
points then it should it should be a uh

1133
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:48,400
you know an active uh hot part and so

1134
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:50,079
over the years i've kind of slowly

1135
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,599
formulated a five point sort of formula

1136
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,920
that would help us identify a potential

1137
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:57,760
hotspot area and they're very very

1138
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,160
simple if it has unusual geophysical

1139
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,000
properties

1140
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:03,920
which could range

1141
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:05,040
from

1142
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,880
minimum maximum field strength in the

1143
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,040
earth's magnetic field close proximity

1144
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,440
of minimum maximum field strength

1145
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:13,440
gravitational lows

1146
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,480
alternating uh clay and water in the

1147
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,000
aquifers

1148
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,720
in the area a history of sacredness by

1149
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:23,520
any sort of indigenous people and or

1150
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:24,560
a

1151
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:34,800
in your neck of the woods gogs down in

1152
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,359
australia there's there's uh

1153
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:39,839
very strange anomalies uh air's rock

1154
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,160
would be come spring to mind that's kind

1155
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,160
of an unusual anomaly there

1156
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,640
geophysically and there's uh legends

1157
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,720
among the walprey and other down others

1158
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,800
down in that area of

1159
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,359
you know strange occurrences and

1160
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:55,760
waves of activity

1161
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,720
that have attained some sort of stature

1162
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:00,319
within the oral tradition or written

1163
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:02,800
tradition so you have unusual

1164
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,280
combinations of events occurring and

1165
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,040
generally you have some sort of

1166
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,040
government or military interest in the

1167
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,880
area and oftentimes they're actually

1168
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,280
trying to expand their control buy more

1169
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,520
land appropriate

1170
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,040
more land or

1171
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:18,800
uh become uh

1172
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:19,680
more

1173
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:23,839
particular area so if you have these

1174
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,240
five things you've got a hot spot area

1175
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,640
and there are lots of them all over the

1176
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,839
the globe

1177
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,599
just in the united states alone i could

1178
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:33,599
probably name 10 or 12.

1179
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,480
so

1180
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,800
there are these hot spot areas i think

1181
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,359
many of them have not been identified by

1182
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,760
ufologists by cryptozoologists because

1183
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,839
they're they're looking at it from their

1184
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:45,760
own with their own pair of glasses their

1185
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,319
own sort of blinders on and if you look

1186
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,560
at this formula and you start looking at

1187
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,640
particular areas you'd be amazed at how

1188
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,400
many of them there are out there some of

1189
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,560
them in urban areas

1190
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,079
for instance so

1191
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,000
this would be the kind of approach that

1192
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,560
i would champion to the tv shows

1193
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,640
okay we wrote that down now and what's

1194
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,079
going to happen is

1195
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,920
we're going to take that

1196
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:10,319
and we're going to patent it right chris

1197
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:12,839
you can't put a patent on idea in

1198
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:16,160
hollywood but i think the key here is

1199
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,359
that

1200
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,359
this has also been the approach of ufo

1201
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:21,119
research itself

1202
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:22,880
right chris that we're looking at the

1203
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,240
individual events as if they're separate

1204
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,280
events as opposed to the combination or

1205
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,200
the fact that different parts of the

1206
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,880
world may yield different sorts of

1207
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:34,319
things

1208
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,119
yeah

1209
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:36,960
absolutely and of course you do have

1210
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:39,359
your cultural and subcultural

1211
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:42,720
interpretations that that vary um you

1212
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,920
if you go to africa and and let's say a

1213
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,920
a set of events happens it's interpreted

1214
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,680
in in in a particular way within the

1215
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,160
subculture if you go to europe if you go

1216
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,640
to any area on the planet there's going

1217
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,119
to be a subcultural and cultural bias of

1218
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,000
how that that particular event or a

1219
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:01,760
series of events is interpreted by the

1220
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,720
locals there and so there is i think

1221
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:07,200
there is this kind of

1222
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,800
obviously compartmentalization

1223
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,480
stovepiping going on within the

1224
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,800
investigation community and i i think

1225
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:13,760
that

1226
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:17,839
also be looking at strange weather

1227
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:20,240
aberrant social uh behavior

1228
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:21,200
of

1229
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,160
just

1230
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:25,280
synchronistic events that normally are

1231
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:29,200
are not caught by a stovepipe you know

1232
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,640
blindered

1233
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,640
investigator and this is something that

1234
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,040
that i really picked up early on in my

1235
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:36,720
work in the san luis valley which is one

1236
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:39,520
of these areas you know why did we have

1237
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,160
12 fires in a single weekend why was a

1238
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,720
roadkill scattered everywhere you drove

1239
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:46,400
why did we have ufo sightings cattle

1240
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,520
mutilations

1241
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,040
um

1242
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:51,680
the bridesmaid sister of the bride

1243
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:54,880
knifing her her bride's sister at a you

1244
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,839
know at a wedding reception uh as an

1245
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:59,920
example of aberrant social behavior

1246
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,359
why did all these things happen over a

1247
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:03,280
two-day period and then boom everything

1248
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,200
seemed to return back to normal it's

1249
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,599
just these types of of synchronistic

1250
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,000
events and what appear to be

1251
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,040
disconnected or unconnected events

1252
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,760
occurring and nobody is taking notes in

1253
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,480
in in looking at a big picture sort of

1254
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,880
view of of of these areas and these

1255
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,520
types of of concurrent events or

1256
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,760
uh synchronicity uh i think it's really

1257
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,839
important in a tv show that would that

1258
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,839
would take the approach

1259
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:31,599
of looking at

1260
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:35,760
this whole potpourri of potential

1261
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,319
i would say anomalous events uh i i

1262
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:40,800
think would really take this field into

1263
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:43,839
a whole new uh realm it would move this

1264
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:46,640
whole uh realm of broadcast coverage of

1265
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:50,000
these subjects uh into a whole new arena

1266
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:51,599
and unfortunately i've just given away

1267
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,319
my

1268
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:54,640
billion dollar idea

1269
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:57,920
say hey chris um someone smarter than me

1270
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,559
if they was to put together some were to

1271
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,880
put together some program

1272
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,240
that uh

1273
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:06,800
searched the news worldwide on the web

1274
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,520
or something and they were looking for

1275
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,520
you know as you're saying aberrant

1276
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,200
social behavior

1277
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:15,119
plus

1278
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:18,400
being in the vicinity of a military area

1279
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,520
plus being in the area of you know uh

1280
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,079
known sacred site and stuff i wonder if

1281
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,920
there's a way to actually kind of keep

1282
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,319
an eye out if you like have something

1283
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,559
you know a computerized program running

1284
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,160
keeping an eye out for somewhere

1285
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,480
absolutely ticks all these boxes

1286
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,559
and then we'll because and i think one

1287
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,160
place that i wonder if you could

1288
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,200
persuade a russian tv

1289
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,760
executive to do a show in russia because

1290
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:45,520
i think they can probably do it without

1291
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,559
all the you know the reality aspect and

1292
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,359
that place is huge and i i think it's

1293
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,359
probably got far more places as you're

1294
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,520
saying

1295
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,200
there are a lot that we know about

1296
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,119
already in in russia

1297
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,440
well in china too and in parts of the

1298
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,920
southeast uh southeast asia

1299
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,520
uh you know my my publisher david

1300
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,160
hatchitil just just got back from burma

1301
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,119
uh he's been to the you know some areas

1302
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:13,839
in indonesia that that very few people

1303
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,040
are aware of

1304
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:17,920
where this uh there's activity that that

1305
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,720
is goes back into prehistory that has

1306
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,640
been you know documented in the oral

1307
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,720
tradition and lately written down that

1308
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,720
nobody around the world is aware of

1309
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,319
there's places scattered all over the

1310
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,319
globe that would be wonderful of course

1311
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,160
when you're talking about traveling and

1312
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,480
taking crews you know on 12-hour flights

1313
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,640
and stuff you know it gets expensive but

1314
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,559
once a show like that

1315
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:41,040
begins to get some steam and headway and

1316
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,800
and and get some notoriety and the

1317
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,559
budgets get a little bigger

1318
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:46,720
you have like destination truth going to

1319
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:49,760
japan uh there is a way to

1320
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,720
for instance uh create a following

1321
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,720
generate some ad revenue which pays for

1322
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,040
all this stuff in the long run and then

1323
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,200
start to branch out from the area where

1324
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,520
the the show originates and in this case

1325
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,359
you cover north america maybe go down to

1326
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:05,920
mexico and just start filtering out

1327
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:07,839
there's areas in south america for

1328
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:09,920
instance that that would just blow

1329
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:12,319
people's minds if they knew the types

1330
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:13,599
and and

1331
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,640
the frequency of of events and

1332
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:18,240
occurrences that that happened down

1333
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,200
there

1334
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,200
and this is just the start folks we have

1335
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,960
so much more to cover

1336
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:24,640
with jean chris

1337
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:28,720
and our listeners goggs and mike you're

1338
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:31,110
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1340
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1341
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1342
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1343
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1358
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1359
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1360
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1361
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1362
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1363
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this capitalism or was jefferson correct

1364
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,680
when stating a central bank issuing the

1365
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:33,359
public currency is a greater menace to

1366
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,559
the liberties of the people than a

1367
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:36,319
standing army ted anderson i'm placing a

1368
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1369
00:52:41,069 --> 00:52:39,359
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1370
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1371
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1372
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1373
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we live in a complicated society

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stressful issues are always popping up

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you just wanted to call an attorney to

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lsprotection.com that's lsprotection.com

1402
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:00,069
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1403
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:03,760
standard of paranormal radio

1404
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,040
and now

1405
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:08,400
here's gene steinberg

1406
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,230
i think maybe what we should be doing

1407
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:16,160
chris is start our own production

1408
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:17,119
company

1409
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:20,720
go to kickstarter and raise money for it

1410
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:22,240
and then shop it around instead of

1411
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,760
depending on one of those big guys from

1412
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,440
doing something because they're not

1413
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,440
going to pay you what you're worth chris

1414
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:29,200
we're talking about

1415
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:32,800
ideas i guess for the ultimate ufo

1416
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,160
paranormal reality show aren't we with

1417
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,280
gogs makai and mike jones joining us

1418
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,280
yeah well i need to get down off my

1419
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,599
soapbox and start giving away all my uh

1420
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:45,520
all my cards here but this is the

1421
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,160
direction that i i feel personally

1422
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,559
having been involved in this field on

1423
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,079
both sides of the camera for so many

1424
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,000
years this i think this is the direction

1425
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:56,079
that it logically is going to be going

1426
00:55:06,790 --> 00:54:57,040
in

1427
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,800
six episodes maybe

1428
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,559
unless they come up with a new and

1429
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,319
different way to cover the same old

1430
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,720
thing because that's basically that's

1431
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:14,079
basically what they're trying to do is

1432
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,480
just do something new and different

1433
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:18,640
covering the same old material i was

1434
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:20,559
just gonna i was just gonna ask mike you

1435
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,240
know what would he like to see uh

1436
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,559
on tv if we're talking about tv

1437
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:28,319
programming in the interest of those

1438
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:31,680
interested in the ufo paranormal um does

1439
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,880
he have any input any ideas as to

1440
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,720
what what we can do that's going to be

1441
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,880
watched but also be meaningful and

1442
00:55:44,430 --> 00:55:40,960
interesting for us

1443
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,440
uh yeah i do uh regular listeners at

1444
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,000
forums.theparacast.com would know i have

1445
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:48,960
a keen interest in language and labels

1446
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,000
and so 40 years ago when i was first

1447
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,240
became interested in ufos it was a

1448
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,559
question you know there was there wasn't

1449
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,079
any complacency about it it was a

1450
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:00,559
question are they real are they not and

1451
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:03,440
we had tv shows like in search of with

1452
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,400
uh leonard nimoy as the compare um but

1453
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:08,720
but now the language has changed and

1454
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,799
instead of in search of and and the

1455
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,200
implied question we're getting reality

1456
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:15,119
shows as if it's a reality we're getting

1457
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:15,760
the

1458
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,280
imply that it's a real thing and so

1459
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:22,960
there seems to be an evolution of

1460
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:25,680
attitude from is it a question are they

1461
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,480
there to yes they're there um we just

1462
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,400
now need to find some proof and there

1463
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:33,280
seems to be this this this change in

1464
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,880
in in the way we're looking at it we're

1465
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:36,400
no longer looking at it as if it's a

1466
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,920
mystery or a question we're not we're

1467
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:39,599
now looking at it as a as if it's a

1468
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,480
given

1469
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:43,680
and and as if it's a reality as in the

1470
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,880
reality show format and i think that is

1471
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,200
possibly part of what we're looking at

1472
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,920
here and i often wonder whether that is

1473
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:53,359
being managed whether that's the way

1474
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:55,280
it's supposed to go or whether it's

1475
00:57:02,630 --> 00:56:59,359
being coached down down that path

1476
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,640
yeah the the old um slow acclimatization

1477
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,400
to a reality thing is that what you're

1478
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:06,799
getting at yeah it does so there's

1479
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,520
certainly an aspect of that um that that

1480
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,280
might be at play i can't say whether it

1481
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,359
is or it isn't at play but certainly

1482
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,040
there's a lot of indicators that might

1483
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:17,280
suggest that might be a play just in

1484
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,160
regards to your um your um

1485
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,799
suggestion to to troll the the internet

1486
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,640
for these various incidents you might

1487
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,640
want to check out uh cliff high's a

1488
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:29,040
half-past human web bot he's got a

1489
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:30,799
project that sort of does something very

1490
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,040
similar and i'm sure it could be tweaked

1491
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:35,040
to sort of look at the specifics that

1492
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:38,640
you you raised earlier right just enter

1493
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:40,160
some search terms that would be

1494
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:41,599
triggered and then

1495
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:42,480
you know

1496
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:46,160
from

1497
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:48,480
it's funny i do grand canyon uh private

1498
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,280
tours uh as one of my sort of cash flow

1499
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,839
occupations um and i i don't do them

1500
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:55,200
very often but

1501
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,280
but uh occasionally i'll get these

1502
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,119
canyon runs and uh

1503
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,440
guess who called me last week uh wanting

1504
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:03,599
a tour cnn

1505
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,920
so i i must be graduating up to the big

1506
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:07,920
time they're coming out next week to uh

1507
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,079
to do some location scouting

1508
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,480
check me out and um i guess they have a

1509
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:14,880
new show called inside man so i'm kind

1510
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,440
of scooping them on on this but i guess

1511
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:19,119
they want to do a whole

1512
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:21,839
show on the on ufo hot

1513
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:23,920
so maybe i'm on to something here so

1514
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,640
when you see cnn you're talking about

1515
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,480
what like producers

1516
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,000
in this case yeah i would be the uh

1517
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,000
producer of the show inside man which is

1518
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,240
a new show that's on uh cnn it's a

1519
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,720
feature program and uh i haven't seen it

1520
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:38,160
myself i've heard some pretty good

1521
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,760
things about it when they called

1522
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,520
initially last week

1523
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,599
you know i was kind of inquiring about

1524
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:45,680
who i was what i was about you know i

1525
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:46,960
told them look

1526
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:49,280
i'm not a sedona new ager i'm not a

1527
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:51,200
woo-woo guy i haven't drank the true

1528
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:52,720
believer kool-aid

1529
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,359
if you want that type of person or that

1530
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:56,640
type of

1531
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:59,599
coverage or show david give me the names

1532
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:01,040
of the people that will that will be

1533
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:02,960
more than happy to take you into land

1534
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:05,359
but if you want some serious talk about

1535
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:06,960
a serious subject i'm your guy so

1536
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,720
evidently they think uh

1537
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:10,799
they're coming out uh next week

1538
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,319
well that's good

1539
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:14,400
i guess i don't know i think this well

1540
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,200
sounds encouraging or no harm and no

1541
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,280
harm in trying anyway well i made the

1542
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,240
first cut let's put it that way

1543
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,680
same thing happened with letterman back

1544
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:25,920
in 98 i think uh i actually got called

1545
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,839
by the letterman show man i was excited

1546
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:29,440
by that

1547
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:31,359
it didn't quite fly i think i got bumped

1548
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,640
by uh

1549
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:34,559
jack hannah the animal guy or something

1550
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:35,680
i don't know

1551
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:39,920
okay so it was one animal versus another

1552
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,559
well i'm i'm a strange beast uh jack

1553
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:44,640
hannah has kind of

1554
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,119
mundane peace listen i don't watch that

1555
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,200
kind of show anyway so what do i know

1556
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,440
about those things i'd like to see it

1557
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:53,359
all right so somebody watch inside man

1558
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:54,720
for me i haven't had broadcast

1559
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:56,319
television in my house for over seven

1560
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,280
years so

1561
01:00:02,390 --> 00:59:59,359
one of our listeners out there uh post

1562
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,400
on forum.theparacast.com

1563
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:04,400
uh if you've seen inside man i've heard

1564
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:06,079
good things about it uh why don't you

1565
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:07,520
give me your uh

1566
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:10,319
your uh instant critique and uh

1567
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,680
i'll be i'll be forewarned and uh in

1568
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:15,440
well briefed for my

1569
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:18,079
little little tet detect uh here next

1570
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,200
week

1571
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:21,680
kind of semi-related to that progress

1572
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,200
and having decent coverage on tv

1573
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,599
of ufos and other mysteries

1574
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:28,880
i remember

1575
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:32,319
the question i asked jan harzan of mufon

1576
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:34,799
what has mufon learned about ufos in the

1577
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,000
past 40 years or so of operation

1578
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,400
and i'm not satisfied with any answers

1579
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,400
from anybody on that subject

1580
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,040
we haven't learned really very much

1581
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:47,520
we just kind of keep replaying the old

1582
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,880
videos

1583
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:50,319
yeah

1584
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,520
taken over 50 years ago

1585
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,359
and just basic sightings we're still

1586
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:59,280
talking about roswell

1587
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:01,520
i mean last week we had donald schmidt

1588
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:02,799
on the show

1589
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:05,680
talking about the real area 51

1590
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:08,559
and wright patterson air base but much

1591
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:14,319
of that history is the 40s 50s and 60s

1592
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:16,960
yeah well that's the question you know

1593
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:20,000
was there a golden age of ufos and i

1594
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:20,960
don't mean

1595
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:23,839
uh of the public having an interest

1596
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:26,319
was there a golden age of their

1597
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:29,119
being more ufos are

1598
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:30,960
i've always wondered this is the

1599
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,359
frequency of well uf ufo events is it

1600
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:37,680
the same as it's ever been since the

1601
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:40,640
modern age has it does it you know well

1602
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,920
we've talked about peaks and troughs uh

1603
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:45,359
in sightings

1604
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:47,920
but i'm not entirely sure if reported

1605
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,480
sightings necessarily accurately

1606
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:53,040
represent what is actually in the sky

1607
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,799
maybe a bit like a quest you know if a

1608
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:56,640
tree falls down in a forest and there's

1609
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:58,240
no one there to hear it

1610
01:02:02,069 --> 01:02:00,000
you know there might be plenty ufos and

1611
01:02:04,829 --> 01:02:02,079
skies that are not being photographed

1612
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:04,839
videoed or seen by the human eye i just

1613
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:07,760
wonder if you know

1614
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,599
some people have said that

1615
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,440
that they they think the reason that

1616
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,880
ufos

1617
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:15,359
may have been active at the late 40s was

1618
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,440
because of the the nuclear

1619
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,680
question we were exploring splitting the

1620
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:21,839
atom well we'd already done that but i

1621
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:25,119
have you know nuclear power and nuclear

1622
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:26,240
bombs

1623
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:29,599
and that could be a reason for et if it

1624
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:30,960
is et to

1625
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:32,960
have an interest in the earth so have

1626
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,119
they learned what they want about that

1627
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:37,680
and now they're keeping a lesser eye on

1628
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:38,720
us

1629
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:40,960
or what i mean what do what do the rest

1630
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:43,280
of you guys think in terms of

1631
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:46,880
well if you actually use mufon's journal

1632
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:49,920
as a guide to frequency of ufo cases it

1633
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:52,480
does appear there's a regular

1634
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:55,599
number of ufo sightings each month

1635
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,559
and it seems that in 2012

1636
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:00,640
there were quite a few sightings well we

1637
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:02,960
saw an increase actually that's right so

1638
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,240
there are

1639
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:06,799
sightings in waves which continue to

1640
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:07,920
occur

1641
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,559
local newspapers or broadcast outlets

1642
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may carry these stories

1643
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:15,599
but when it comes to the national media

1644
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you know unless it's a very slow news

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day

1646
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they're not going to say anything about

1647
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it but it doesn't seem as if

1648
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the numbers have changed drastically

1649
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:28,880
there's more one year less the next year

1650
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so if ufos have left us well we have a

1651
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different group of ufos we also have our

1652
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listener round table with gogs and makai

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mike jones with gene and chris you're in

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[Music]

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was a critically acclaimed success and

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now there's the coming of the protectors

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a former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on her distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rockoids and

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the coming of the protectors find out

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know when a company acts here

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the us government overextends itself and

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spends beyond its means many investors

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hello i'm steve shank everybody's heard

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the statement that what you don't know

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01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,880
can't hurt you but truth is what you

1708
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don't know is the only thing that can

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hurt you for example you might not know

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how our country's wars can hurt you

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japanese radiation and the gulf oil

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spill are destroying your seafood people

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don't understand how america's 50-year

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worst drought is hurting them our

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natural disaster experience has proven

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relief organizations can't take care of

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the victims and there's the huge

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question of how the government will feed

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all the people that it's promised to

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feed with no food what if we made the

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whole country into one big neighborhood

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1762
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:13,119
this goes back to

1763
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:14,880
what we used to talk about is the

1764
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:18,480
publicity flat in ufo research where

1765
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:20,960
something gets major publicity and

1766
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:23,679
suddenly people start seeing ufos but

1767
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,400
maybe

1768
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:26,880
it's not that they are seeing ufos any

1769
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:29,679
more frequently is because the publicity

1770
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:32,319
encourages them to report gene it also

1771
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,080
encourages people to to be on the

1772
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,480
lookout i see the same exact thing in

1773
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:38,880
the cattle death mystery as soon as the

1774
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,560
media especially the regional and

1775
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:42,719
national media get involved in

1776
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:44,560
publicizing cases

1777
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:45,359
then

1778
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:48,080
untrained eyes driving by a pasture

1779
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:49,920
seeing a dead cow that's

1780
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:51,520
you know just had natural scavenger

1781
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,400
action it can appear unusual looking to

1782
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:56,640
someone that's untrained and so all of a

1783
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,359
sudden you see a flowering of of

1784
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,359
additional reports it seems like

1785
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,080
publicity there's there's a formula if

1786
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,400
there are sightings a lot of people see

1787
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:08,960
them the publicity gets launched then

1788
01:09:12,910 --> 01:09:11,120
people seem to be looking and more prone

1789
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:12,920
to report

1790
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,560
misidentified

1791
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,319
natural phenomena

1792
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:18,480
landing lights of planes

1793
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:20,159
that sort of thing in the in the ufo

1794
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,920
realm so i i think there is a formula

1795
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,799
there

1796
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:26,960
but getting back to god's comment about

1797
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:29,279
the you know the exploding the atomic

1798
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,400
bombs and uh and what appeared to be you

1799
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:34,719
know of course we have roswell and in

1800
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:36,960
allegedly aztec and other events in the

1801
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:40,560
early 50s washington flyovers i think

1802
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:42,319
that that would be an indication not so

1803
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:43,920
much of e.t

1804
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:46,000
being interested in the planet i think

1805
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:47,920
it would support more of a mactones

1806
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,960
crypto-terrestrial equation meaning that

1807
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:52,799
other inhabitants here are worried that

1808
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:55,280
their environment may be all of a sudden

1809
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:57,679
in jeopardy we have a screwy society too

1810
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:00,239
now where in the us especially and this

1811
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,800
goes back to something i posted in the

1812
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,719
forums about a decision of popular

1813
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,400
science magazine

1814
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,640
and it's about the attitude towards

1815
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:10,400
science where

1816
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:13,199
they stopped publishing

1817
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:15,440
comments on articles posted on the

1818
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,440
internet the reason is anytime you had

1819
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:19,840
an article about a routine scientific

1820
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:22,080
development you get a lot of crazies out

1821
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:23,520
there who would be basically

1822
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:26,000
anti-science oh it can't be true

1823
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:28,320
whatever they say is nonsense the earth

1824
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,040
is 6 000 years old or maybe the earth is

1825
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:33,760
flat i don't know which so they gave

1826
01:10:37,870 --> 01:10:36,400
that up and you kind of wonder here

1827
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:37,880
you know this

1828
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:40,480
anti-science attitude

1829
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:42,640
hurts a lot too it does seem something

1830
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:45,920
that's uh it seems to be a am i wrong

1831
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:48,080
thinking this is a an american thing

1832
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:49,520
there doesn't seem to be much of an

1833
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:52,239
anti-science movement attitude over in

1834
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:54,880
the uk i can't speak for anywhere else

1835
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:57,440
i'd imagine it was the same in australia

1836
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:59,760
yeah it does seem from where i sit to be

1837
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:01,679
a predominantly american thing that is

1838
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,000
for sure do you see it guys looking

1839
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:06,640
outside the us and this is related to

1840
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:08,000
what we do because we're dealing with

1841
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,159
something where you need to bring in

1842
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:12,719
scientific research this anti-science

1843
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:15,280
attitude which caused popular science to

1844
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:17,040
simply discontinue writing those

1845
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,159
comments

1846
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,400
looking from the outside of what's

1847
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:22,239
happening here do you see it being a

1848
01:11:26,229 --> 01:11:23,840
political issue

1849
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:26,239
because of the political preferences of

1850
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:28,159
some parts of the population

1851
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:30,480
what do you think from scotland

1852
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:32,719
gogs i i think it

1853
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:35,360
probably is well for instance i just

1854
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,560
don't think

1855
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:38,640
when can you envisage

1856
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,960
a sitting american president or a

1857
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:42,480
potential one

1858
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:43,440
not

1859
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,199
saying that they are a christian you

1860
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:47,360
know when when was there any chance you

1861
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:50,640
would ever have a president ascribing to

1862
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,120
no religion which is probably worse than

1863
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:54,800
another religion

1864
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,560
but it seems to be kind of uh ingrained

1865
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:00,480
i mean i thought the the whole idea of

1866
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,640
the founding of the united states was to

1867
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,280
kind of get away from obviously no

1868
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,000
taxation without representation but also

1869
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:10,159
the original people coming over to the

1870
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:11,840
new world they were

1871
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:13,840
escaping religious persecution and i

1872
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:15,920
thought the founding of these states was

1873
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,280
so that there would be a complete

1874
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:19,760
separate separation of church and state

1875
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:22,239
but it's you know when you're in court

1876
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:23,040
you

1877
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:27,280
um same thing here

1878
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,159
and

1879
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,480
so i i would imagine most politicians

1880
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,400
even if they aren't actually religious

1881
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,040
certainly in america they pretend to be

1882
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:37,040
for political purposes

1883
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:39,760
and i just wonder if they're if i don't

1884
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:41,440
know what the backlash would be against

1885
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:43,679
and if it today it's science

1886
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,760
then that'll work and but

1887
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,520
i'll get in trouble for saying this but

1888
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:49,360
i think a lot of religious people are

1889
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,080
ignorant i don't mean ignorant as in you

1890
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,000
know they're stupid but i think

1891
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:56,480
sometimes they just haven't they've just

1892
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,960
taken what they were born into and not

1893
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,480
given any thought

1894
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,920
i mean for instance you could take

1895
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:04,080
anyone in the world well if you're born

1896
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:05,760
in mecca you're probably going to be a

1897
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,640
muslim if you're born in the west coast

1898
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:10,320
of scotland you're probably going to be

1899
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:11,760
a protestant

1900
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:14,080
and if you take those children at birth

1901
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:16,000
and swap them over and brought them up

1902
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:18,239
there they would just be of the religion

1903
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:20,560
of their area and i think people are

1904
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,400
lazy and not

1905
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:24,880
questioning religion and i've kind of

1906
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,560
gone off track here into a kind of

1907
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:28,640
religious rant but i

1908
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:30,400
lost my thread as well but yeah i think

1909
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:32,960
we're talking about is is a political is

1910
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:35,360
there a political motivation behind

1911
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anti-science and i think well

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i think there is but but i think the

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most important operative thing is that

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as as we

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progress

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uh through the years science

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gains more and more knowledge they

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become more and more sophisticated and

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that sophistication that process of

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knowledge is now becoming so ivory

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towerish it's out of reach of the

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comprehension of the average person

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so once science gets so specialized and

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so high falutin

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you have this this uh this kind of

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disassociation

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with the scientific method and people

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who i'm a pretty up to speed guy we all

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are and we do follow some of these

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things but there when you get into the

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realm of membrane theory and and the

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higgs boson uh you know particle that's

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been discovered these are so alien

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i'm using that term on purpose pun

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01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:29,199
intended

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these subjects and these uh discoveries

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are so out of the realm of the average

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person's realm of of understanding that

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you have an automatic knee-jerk

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assumption of pulling back towards

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magic superstition uh pop culture

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01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:45,520
programming things that are more

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comfortable and and accessible for the

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average person and so you see kind of a

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backlash the more science progresses in

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their knowledge the more fundamentalists

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people get because they are separated

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away from that scientific knowledge and

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we we have the scientific community is

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is so far ahead and above the average

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person that it almost appears as if it's

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magic to a lot of people and that's

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where you get into then the political

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and sociological implications of this

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and how people in mass respond to that

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progress of our knowledge yeah we have a

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01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,440
popular phrase down here which is some

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only in america and that tends to cover

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just about anything wacky or crazy that

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you guys do there is a there's a meme

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about you know

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the crazier side of american culture and

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and i think

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all cultures have it i mean dogs meant

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in ignorance area i prefer to use the

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word social blinkers or social blinders

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i think if you're born in mecca you're

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going to be wearing those those blinkers

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those blinders if you if you're born in

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the bible belt of you know america

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you're going to grow up with those

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social blinders and that's just the way

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it is as for an atheist president you

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know the last the last two have been

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sworn in on the bible and yet you do a

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search for you know president and and

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satan and there are thousands of people

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out there claiming that

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whichever president is current is the

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antichrist um you're always going to get

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that it wouldn't matter whether they

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were religious or or irreligious but i

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imagine that those who are calling the

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current and for that matter previous

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presidents the antichrist if you had a

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president who was openly non-religious

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that that would just be magnified

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tenfold we would never be allowed to

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happen in this country we have mike

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jones and gogs makai we allow them to

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happen with gene and chris some people

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don't want us to happen you're in the

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hi this is nick pope you're listening to

2102
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:56,640
the parrot card

2103
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,480
some people don't want us to happen i

2104
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:00,880
don't know i heard that somebody else's

2105
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:03,840
radio show was attacking us and this is

2106
01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:06,400
an interesting thing here to mention i

2107
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:08,239
got a letter from somebody criticizing

2108
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,280
us for making personal attacks against

2109
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,360
coast-to-coast am well i guess you can't

2110
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,080
personally attack a show i suppose we

2111
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,320
can personally attack an individual but

2112
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:20,400
maybe we've made a few remarks

2113
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:22,159
of a critical nature about the

2114
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:23,679
interviewing skills

2115
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:26,080
of one george nori but i don't think

2116
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:27,520
we've ever made a personal attack

2117
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:29,440
against him chris you never heard of

2118
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,239
that have you no i i like george um he's

2119
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:34,400
got a great singing voice um he's a

2120
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:36,239
really sweet guy i've met him on a

2121
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:37,760
number of occasions

2122
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:39,840
i think he's in a difficult position

2123
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:43,120
where he's an entertainer that does have

2124
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:44,560
a way of

2125
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,000
softening possibly your your you know

2126
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,400
inquisitive nature on the air

2127
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:52,719
not asking the tough questions here at

2128
01:21:56,709 --> 01:21:54,800
the paracast we want the bottom line we

2129
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:56,719
want the skinny you you're making

2130
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:58,960
extraordinary claims let's see some some

2131
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:01,040
data and some evidence to back it up or

2132
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:04,159
at least some thinking that um justifies

2133
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:06,159
you coming to that particular position

2134
01:22:10,149 --> 01:22:06,960
so

2135
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,159
i think with the for instance the new uh

2136
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,480
with the return of art bell

2137
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:14,880
just looking for instance at the first

2138
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:18,320
week's list of guests um it was

2139
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,520
i think a lot of people are a little

2140
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:21,600
dismayed and there's there's some real

2141
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:23,600
rumblings on the net that you know

2142
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:26,080
perhaps art is just doing this for the

2143
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,480
money perhaps he's just getting back

2144
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:31,120
into the fray to um because of some sort

2145
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:32,239
of you know he's been out of the

2146
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,760
spotlight too long

2147
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:35,280
but to have the same old cast of

2148
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characters on there

2149
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:39,600
that were featured 20 years ago on his

2150
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his coast-to-coast version of the show

2151
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:43,280
it's just to me

2152
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:44,800
it's part of the problem not part of the

2153
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:47,199
solution at the paracast we're really

2154
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:50,880
looking to come up with some guests some

2155
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:53,040
set of information that's going to

2156
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:55,920
make us all sit up and and

2157
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:57,920
you know take notice and and

2158
01:23:01,750 --> 01:22:59,760
hopefully pull our level of

2159
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,760
understanding up a notch so

2160
01:23:05,189 --> 01:23:03,280
that's what we're about

2161
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:05,199
don't you think it shows a level of

2162
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:08,000
laziness on art bell's part because

2163
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:10,960
let's face it even you know after this

2164
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:13,600
time off the air i would imagine he

2165
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:16,000
still has a lot of clout in the

2166
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:18,159
paranormal field and he would pretty

2167
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:21,520
much be able to get any guest he wanted

2168
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:24,719
and to just go for those you know tired

2169
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:27,280
same few that he's had a number of times

2170
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:28,400
before

2171
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:31,199
it's just pure laziness and i'm a bit

2172
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:34,320
disappointed because i was a fan of not

2173
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,520
a fan a an admirer of art belt a lot of

2174
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,199
his stuff but i did mention in the

2175
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:41,679
forums just the other day that i had to

2176
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:43,679
you know see what what was happening and

2177
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:46,639
i i did listen to one episode of dark

2178
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:47,679
matters

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from dawn i chose richard hoagland and i

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was i have to say i was actually quite

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pleasantly surprised that art bell

2182
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seemed to

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not be softballing questions he seemed

2184
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to be questioning everything hogan was

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01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:05,840
saying and he really had to work for it

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more than he had in the past and i i

2187
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:09,600
found that strange i was expecting him

2188
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:10,560
to be

2189
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,639
a bit more like george nurius just now

2190
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:14,719
and just to quickly go back to george

2191
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:17,360
newley he's not a bad guy at all someone

2192
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:18,960
mentioned in the forums before that you

2193
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know he's the kind of guy you'd like to

2194
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have as a neighbor

2195
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:23,840
and and you would and he's not a bad

2196
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:26,159
person but we're let's just separate the

2197
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:29,520
fact that you know people can be artists

2198
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:30,639
and the

2199
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necessarily have to be a a good painter

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01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:37,600
and you can have a bad painter who's a

2201
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:40,000
perfectly good guy so maybe when we're

2202
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:43,199
having in income inverted commas i go at

2203
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:45,840
coast to coast or even at george newly

2204
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,920
we're not saying george knew he's a you

2205
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:49,760
know a bad guy we're just simply

2206
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:52,560
commenting on his style of interviewing

2207
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:54,800
people who we think should be

2208
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:56,000
interviewed

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01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,320
a lot more thoroughly and held to

2210
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:00,960
account for what they're spouting on the

2211
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:03,679
airwaves during an interview with time

2212
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,000
magazine art bell was asked about his

2213
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:07,920
new show of course no one ever asked him

2214
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:10,000
why there's a guy out there who's done a

2215
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,560
show called dark matters for 20 years

2216
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:14,639
and arc bell is still using that name

2217
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:17,600
regardless he pointed out that he

2218
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,800
regards george nori as a lazy

2219
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:22,560
interviewer and i guess he was going to

2220
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,239
set him straight with the same cast of

2221
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:26,480
characters these are the people

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01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:27,280
who

2223
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:29,199
always went on coast to coast so maybe

2224
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,000
he gets on there and asks questions that

2225
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:35,040
are a bit more probing but he's still

2226
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:37,760
publicizing the same crowd as if he's

2227
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:39,600
just looking for the same old audience

2228
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:41,600
he's not looking for a new audience he's

2229
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:43,280
just looking for the same people he had

2230
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:45,280
before but now it's on a different

2231
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:47,360
network but this of course is more

2232
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:50,400
difficult because it's a pay network you

2233
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:52,960
have to be members of

2234
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:55,679
siriusxm to hear the show so but you

2235
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:58,080
could get it online i gather right goggs

2236
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:01,840
uh yeah i just got it off youtube

2237
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:02,800
simple

2238
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:04,719
well that's how it goes but the point

2239
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:05,679
being

2240
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,719
that it's like when you have a tv show

2241
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,480
that went off the air and they tried to

2242
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:12,719
revive it with the original cast and

2243
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:14,080
what you get is

2244
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:16,080
the same show with people who are 20

2245
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:17,280
years older

2246
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:19,280
doing the same thing reciting the same

2247
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:20,320
lines

2248
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,360
more often than not it doesn't work mike

2249
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:25,440
you have any comments on this i i

2250
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:27,440
couldn't agree more gene i um one of my

2251
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:30,320
favorite tv shows is a british uh jerry

2252
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:33,280
anderson space 1999 and i'm involved

2253
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:34,960
with the discussion forum on that you

2254
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:36,800
have season one and season two and

2255
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:38,800
season two was radically different to

2256
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:41,199
season one and there's an overwhelming

2257
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:43,760
consensus that it shouldn't have changed

2258
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:44,960
that they should have stuck to the

2259
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:46,800
original format in the original cast the

2260
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:48,320
original people

2261
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:50,560
and people overwhelmingly do not like

2262
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,840
the change and i think that's probably

2263
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:54,000
what we're looking at the current topic

2264
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:56,239
of discussion that he knows what works

2265
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:57,600
he knows what's worked for him in the

2266
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,440
past and it was just easier just to go

2267
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:01,280
down that same path and keep things the

2268
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:04,480
same it's just reliving old triumphs

2269
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:05,920
he's like he just wants to maybe get

2270
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:08,800
that same old buzz again and uh just

2271
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,199
yeah if it ain't broke don't fix it and

2272
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:13,199
he's he's definitely following that

2273
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:15,520
maxim well the show is undeniably

2274
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:17,679
successful the question is here does

2275
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:20,639
that formula apply here in the 21st

2276
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:23,600
century does doing the same thing in the

2277
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:26,000
same way with the same people

2278
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:28,480
apply now maybe

2279
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:31,199
there's a publicity angle here saying

2280
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:32,400
hi gang

2281
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:33,920
if you missed the original coast to

2282
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:36,239
coast we have it back here in a new name

2283
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:38,239
with the original guy maybe that's the

2284
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:39,760
reason for bringing on

2285
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,920
the same guests so maybe in the second

2286
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:43,600
third fourth weeks he will go in a

2287
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:45,840
different direction i kind of doubt it

2288
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:48,239
though i don't see him wanting to do

2289
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:50,480
that perhaps he was just using those

2290
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:52,960
names because yeah even though he is art

2291
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:56,320
bell and after this break away from

2292
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:58,960
programming he he still does have a draw

2293
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:00,719
but maybe you know he hasn't been in the

2294
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:04,000
public mind as a currently working

2295
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:07,280
you know radio dj so maybe he was using

2296
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:09,520
the fact that these people i know we

2297
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:11,520
don't like it but stephen greer richard

2298
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:15,040
hoagland they they do draw audiences

2299
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:18,159
so yeah he's just shamelessly using them

2300
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:20,719
to get back in the kind of picture and

2301
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:23,440
then then maybe yeah he might expand

2302
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:27,120
into more new topics new guests but he

2303
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:29,920
was shamelessly using the people who

2304
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:31,679
that we complain about you were

2305
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:33,840
complaining john harrison and we've

2306
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:35,840
complained to other people about you

2307
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:38,159
know disclosure hearings like why do you

2308
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:40,480
include these few people who

2309
01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:43,440
just don't do the subject any favors but

2310
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:45,679
unfortunately they do seem to they do

2311
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:48,639
seem to have a fan base it's the same

2312
01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:51,040
old cast of characters isn't there no

2313
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:52,639
one new do you have to get somebody

2314
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:55,120
who's been doing this for 42 years yeah

2315
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:57,040
well it's it's it's the people that have

2316
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,520
uh successfully attained and maintained

2317
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:01,679
a cult of personality that's a real

2318
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:04,480
problem i think within uh especially the

2319
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:08,080
ufological uh realm and community the

2320
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:10,960
people that tend to squawk the loudest

2321
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:13,040
and and you know really

2322
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,520
maintain this this cult of personality

2323
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:17,280
uh they're the ones that tend to put the

2324
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:20,400
butts in the seats at the conferences uh

2325
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:23,199
tend to be the the names that people

2326
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:25,040
peripherally interested in the subject

2327
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:26,960
matter will recognize

2328
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:29,520
and um i think art basically was was

2329
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,679
just trying to reestablish the show and

2330
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:33,920
and you know he went with what he felt

2331
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,600
were sure things michio kaku for

2332
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:37,360
instance was part of that i think that

2333
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:40,080
first week which i was the saving grace

2334
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:42,560
in terms of the guest lineup in my my my

2335
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:43,679
estimation

2336
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:46,480
you know i want to wish art well and and

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01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:49,040
i i hope he's he gets back into this uh

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with with you know his waiters on

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and and really tries to take it to the

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next level because i think doing it the

2341
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same old way

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is not i think people want more right

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now i think people are looking for for

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forward thinkers for out of the box

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thinking uh for something besides

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aliens gathering genetic material from

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certificate i'm dr walk with a warning

2444
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:13,520
if you have a four inch medical chart if

2445
01:34:16,390 --> 01:34:15,120
you take prescription drugs for high

2446
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:16,400
cholesterol high blood pressure

2447
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:18,400
arthritis joint pains and other health

2448
01:34:22,629 --> 01:34:20,480
issues the medical profession is failing

2449
01:34:24,229 --> 01:34:22,639
you they're using you for an atm machine

2450
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:24,239
my free lecture is going to reveal what

2451
01:34:27,510 --> 01:34:25,760
pharmaceutical companies don't want you

2452
01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:27,520
to know there's been groundbreaking

2453
01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:29,280
research and discoveries on how to

2454
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:31,440
effectively treat or eliminate over 900

2455
01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:33,440
different diseases naturally it's all my

2456
01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:36,800
free lecture called deadly recipe so

2457
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:39,840
call toll free one eight five five

2458
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:41,440
seventy nine young

2459
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:43,679
again that's toll free

2460
01:34:52,170 --> 01:34:46,560
one eight five five seventy nine young

2461
01:34:57,510 --> 01:34:55,189
[Music]

2462
01:35:00,149 --> 01:34:57,520
this is haley rose and i hope that you

2463
01:35:02,229 --> 01:35:00,159
do listen to the paracast because you

2464
01:35:06,410 --> 01:35:02,239
will learn a great deal about the

2465
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:09,590
[Music]

2466
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:11,520
this is a listener round table

2467
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:13,440
and our guests are goggs makai from

2468
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:16,560
scotland and from australia mike jones

2469
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:17,360
and

2470
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:19,760
mike has got a great radio voice

2471
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:21,360
we're going to use it

2472
01:35:24,229 --> 01:35:22,480
if he's

2473
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:24,239
up to he's also one of our most frequent

2474
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:26,960
posters at forum.theparentcast.com

2475
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:28,639
with gene and chris we were talking

2476
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:31,679
about the state of ufo and paranormal

2477
01:35:35,110 --> 01:35:32,639
research

2478
01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:35,120
maybe taking things to the next level

2479
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:36,560
but we have a few questions from our

2480
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:38,400
audience maybe we should stop and get to

2481
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,639
those and get back to our stuff chris

2482
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:42,400
well we do have a a question from

2483
01:35:47,830 --> 01:35:44,800
nameless who is one of our you know very

2484
01:35:49,510 --> 01:35:47,840
active posters at forum.theparacast.com

2485
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:49,520
and he goes wahoo

2486
01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:52,159
i want to know if in regard to the truly

2487
01:35:56,709 --> 01:35:54,159
anomalous cases that do not have a

2488
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:56,719
straightforward terrestrial explanation

2489
01:36:02,149 --> 01:35:58,880
are mike and gog still in the nuts and

2490
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:02,159
bolts alien camp or over the years

2491
01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:04,719
in paracast shows are they now looking

2492
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:07,600
or leaning towards other hypotheses good

2493
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:10,320
question in light of our conversation uh

2494
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:12,080
well yeah i um

2495
01:36:16,229 --> 01:36:13,679
i'm i'm still pretty much a nuts and

2496
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:16,239
bolts guy i mean uh chris was talking

2497
01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:18,239
earlier about hot spots and i live in

2498
01:36:23,910 --> 01:36:20,560
one um the blue mountains west of sydney

2499
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:23,920
is a ufo hot spot it's a yowie hot spot

2500
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:25,600
um we have an air force base up here

2501
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:27,920
with no runway so we you know we tick

2502
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:29,760
lots of the boxes we the indigenous

2503
01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:32,800
population um find the place um to be

2504
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:35,520
significant in terms of their um

2505
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:38,320
spiritual um beliefs but from my point

2506
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:40,960
of view uh that can all be uh handily

2507
01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:43,600
wrapped up into the remoteness of it um

2508
01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:46,719
you know yaoi's it's remote um uh

2509
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:48,480
military it's remote military-like

2510
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:50,080
remote places allows them to do what

2511
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:52,000
they do with you know and and not be

2512
01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:55,360
spied on um same with ufos um you know

2513
01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:57,920
we supposedly have ufo bases up here

2514
01:37:02,550 --> 01:37:00,159
along with an raf base so

2515
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:02,560
and again the remoteness aspect seems to

2516
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:05,040
me to be just as plausible explanation

2517
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:07,440
as anything um you know particularly

2518
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:08,800
highly strange

2519
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:11,360
i've always been probably mostly nuts

2520
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:13,760
and bolts but over the last five years

2521
01:37:18,070 --> 01:37:15,440
especially

2522
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:18,080
my mind's been opened up to plenty other

2523
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:20,159
possibilities and i suppose like a lot

2524
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:21,520
of other people

2525
01:37:26,149 --> 01:37:24,480
i uh entertain like for instance it

2526
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:26,159
would have been in the last five years

2527
01:37:30,470 --> 01:37:28,000
through people like mac tony's that i

2528
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:30,480
would know about crypto-terrestrial

2529
01:37:36,750 --> 01:37:33,199
theory i definitely think that

2530
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:36,760
some ufos are solid objects that are

2531
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:38,639
manufactured

2532
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:41,840
uh by whatever whomever

2533
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:43,600
but i also think there are probably

2534
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:45,760
things in the sky that

2535
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:49,440
fit in fall in the ufo category that

2536
01:37:53,109 --> 01:37:51,600
maybe aren't quite so solid and

2537
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:53,119
manufactured

2538
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:55,119
um i'm not sure if i'm describing this

2539
01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:56,560
too well but

2540
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:58,880
i would say like a lot of

2541
01:38:04,390 --> 01:38:01,920
people in ufology my thinking is kind of

2542
01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:04,400
evolved a bit or certainly

2543
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:06,080
i'm open to

2544
01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:09,119
i'll listen to any theory and i i am

2545
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:10,719
interested

2546
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:13,440
you know chris is a few times mentioned

2547
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:16,560
about we should be looking at a closed

2548
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:19,199
system explanation before looking

2549
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:20,400
elsewhere

2550
01:38:23,669 --> 01:38:22,000
and i'm one of those people that thinks

2551
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:23,679
well maybe there's more than one thing

2552
01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:24,719
going on

2553
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,320
anyway so we can have nuts and bolts at

2554
01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:30,400
zeta reticuli graze

2555
01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:33,040
and we can also have the weirdest the

2556
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:35,600
strangest of high strange things that

2557
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:38,080
are going on simultaneously

2558
01:38:40,630 --> 01:38:39,040
and

2559
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:40,640
i definitely think um

2560
01:38:44,950 --> 01:38:41,840
[Music]

2561
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:44,960
i definitely think that uh

2562
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:48,480
the high strange aspects

2563
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:50,960
because some of them seem to be reported

2564
01:38:55,830 --> 01:38:52,159
from

2565
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:55,840
you know pretty sane people i think

2566
01:38:59,750 --> 01:38:58,080
that's what's opened up my mind to some

2567
01:39:01,669 --> 01:38:59,760
other possibilities

2568
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:01,679
i i certainly am open to other

2569
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:04,960
possibilities myself um bostrom's

2570
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:06,880
simulation argument for example that we

2571
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:08,800
might all be living in a simulation that

2572
01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:10,880
ticks a lot of boxes as well

2573
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:13,119
and i i certainly like to think outside

2574
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:14,960
the box you have to think outside the

2575
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:17,280
box otherwise you you really will will

2576
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:19,440
be blinking yourself and your chances of

2577
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:21,679
finding the answers um you know that

2578
01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:23,040
they decrease

2579
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,080
the more insular and the more um inside

2580
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:29,040
the box you remain but um i

2581
01:39:33,510 --> 01:39:30,880
the nuts and bolts there is still my

2582
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:33,520
go-to theory until something comes along

2583
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:35,760
that gives me more weight of evidence

2584
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:37,360
against it

2585
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:39,119
all right simulator do you mean that

2586
01:39:43,669 --> 01:39:41,360
we're all living in a fake reality maybe

2587
01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:43,679
like matrix style

2588
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:45,679
yeah bostrom's simulation argument

2589
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:48,239
postulates that um we may be living in

2590
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:50,560
inside a simulation the simulation is so

2591
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:53,760
good that it seems real that uh he he

2592
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:55,440
refers to things like the ancestor

2593
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:57,760
simulation which is we we may actually

2594
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:59,440
be uh

2595
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:01,280
humans from the future may have

2596
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:03,760
simulated their past in order to better

2597
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:06,000
understand it study it and that we are

2598
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:08,880
in fact those subroutines within that

2599
01:40:11,650 --> 01:40:10,960
simulation

2600
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:11,660
wow

2601
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:13,600
[Music]

2602
01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:16,560
yeah i read the same article and i

2603
01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:17,360
you know

2604
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:19,600
when i was a little kid

2605
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:21,440
that thought kind of crossed my mind

2606
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:23,040
that this was all some big giant

2607
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:25,280
theatrical production and i was the only

2608
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:27,600
one that wasn't aware of it

2609
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:30,000
and i think that that's a fairly common

2610
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:32,639
uh feeling that um you know kids from

2611
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:34,320
six to ten

2612
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:37,520
may flash into that from time to time

2613
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:39,360
it kind of harkens back to the matrix

2614
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:41,760
movies where we're we're living a

2615
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:43,440
simulated reality

2616
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:46,639
uh that is a construct and that god may

2617
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:47,920
be just some

2618
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:51,119
you know maybe pimply 15 year old uh

2619
01:40:54,629 --> 01:40:52,159
uber

2620
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:54,639
programmer uh on some galaxy far far

2621
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:55,520
away

2622
01:41:01,430 --> 01:40:57,760
i love i love those types of theories

2623
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:01,440
and personally and uh i entertain them i

2624
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:03,520
think that science uh

2625
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:06,239
ultimately will be the arbiter uh

2626
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:09,840
of our experience and and and be able to

2627
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:11,520
to define

2628
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:14,000
uh what reality is as soon as they're

2629
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:16,639
able to define what consciousness is

2630
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:19,119
there is no real steadfast accepted

2631
01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:21,199
scientific definition of consciousness

2632
01:41:24,910 --> 01:41:23,360
to my knowledge i mean correct me if i'm

2633
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:24,920
wrong listeners

2634
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:26,639
forum.theparacast.com that's where we're

2635
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:28,639
asking questions for our listener

2636
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:30,880
roundtable here i have another question

2637
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:32,639
guys from nameless

2638
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:35,040
who's uh a member of the thousand post

2639
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:39,669
and i understand there's a higher fee to

2640
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:41,679
join that but mostly it's having

2641
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:43,920
flexible fingers and a lot of things to

2642
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:47,520
say well it's being able to

2643
01:41:52,310 --> 01:41:50,239
be i guess inspired enough to

2644
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:52,320
participate in some of these wonderful

2645
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:54,639
threads that we have there's so many

2646
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:57,280
wonderful posters here and i learned so

2647
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:59,199
much from just going to the forum and

2648
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:02,080
reading people's comments on subjects

2649
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,840
there's a a lot of people on here that

2650
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:05,760
are a lot smarter than me let's put it

2651
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,719
that way

2652
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:08,400
but a nameless has another question for

2653
01:42:12,629 --> 01:42:10,320
you guys and he says i see mike and

2654
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,639
goggs as being like the ultra listener

2655
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:14,960
forum posters what has been your

2656
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:17,199
favorite radio show or podcast moments

2657
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:19,760
here at the paracast and have there been

2658
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,480
any good forum threads or posts that are

2659
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:24,719
worthy of our discussion

2660
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:27,040
yeah i'll go first here uh yeah there

2661
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:30,320
are so many to mention and um

2662
01:42:39,270 --> 01:42:30,960
i

2663
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:39,280
meltdown

2664
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:40,639
that's just something that kind of

2665
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:44,000
stands out but if i was to look at the

2666
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:45,840
archives now

2667
01:42:49,669 --> 01:42:47,520
um

2668
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:49,679
there's the you know i'll i'll let the

2669
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:52,080
listeners know this there are some shows

2670
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,639
in the paracast single shows that i've

2671
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:56,400
probably listened to

2672
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:59,440
about five times and wait a minute wait

2673
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:01,119
a minute i think we need to send a

2674
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,960
doctor over to you

2675
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:04,800
right now because i can't imagine

2676
01:43:09,270 --> 01:43:07,520
listening to anything five times

2677
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:09,280
even my own shows now i listen to the

2678
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:11,040
show two times because of the editing

2679
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:13,600
process when we're recording the show

2680
01:43:19,109 --> 01:43:15,679
and when we do a little post-production

2681
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:19,119
cleanup but that's it for me five times

2682
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:21,520
over the course of the years you see you

2683
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:23,520
you might listen to a show that's really

2684
01:43:26,310 --> 01:43:24,480
good

2685
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:26,320
and maybe for whatever reason you are

2686
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:28,880
kind of distracted i sometimes listen

2687
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:31,040
when i'm driving and stuff and you don't

2688
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:33,600
you don't hear at all or take it all in

2689
01:43:37,830 --> 01:43:36,239
um or a couple of times i've gone back

2690
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:37,840
and listened to things because of what's

2691
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:40,480
been said in the forums and i went back

2692
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:42,239
to to kind of check and see what people

2693
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:42,960
say

2694
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:45,040
i i don't want to don't want this to

2695
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:46,800
sound like the kind of thing that used

2696
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:48,400
to go on in the early 80s when i was

2697
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:50,080
young and it was how many times you'd

2698
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,520
seen star wars or whatever but not a lot

2699
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:55,600
but there are a few of them and

2700
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:58,000
if you pick any show just from probably

2701
01:44:01,990 --> 01:43:59,760
not even that long ago and stick it on

2702
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:02,000
just now you know a lot of it goes out

2703
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:03,600
of your mind and if it was a good show

2704
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:06,880
then it it still is um there's been

2705
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:09,040
there have been so many good guests on

2706
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:10,400
um

2707
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:12,000
mark tony's

2708
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:14,400
uh he always had something interesting

2709
01:44:18,550 --> 01:44:15,600
to say

2710
01:44:20,950 --> 01:44:18,560
um what else was the question about yeah

2711
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,960
about forum threads

2712
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:22,960
yeah there are loads but actually mike

2713
01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:25,199
started one it wasn't paranormal but

2714
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:26,719
mike started a

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forum thread called official funny stuff

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01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:30,960
and there's been

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01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:32,800
i think it's on about 40 pages or

2718
01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:35,199
something now but there's been so much

2719
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:36,960
funny stuff there which has been a bit

2720
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:38,000
kind of

2721
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:41,760
nice uh comic relief from

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01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:45,760
when the forum can get a bit inflamed

2723
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:48,000
you know somebody in that official funny

2724
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,199
stuff

2725
01:44:53,350 --> 01:44:51,360
gave the cover of

2726
01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:53,360
one of my sci-fi books attack of the

2727
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:55,520
rockwoods that i wrote with my son he

2728
01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:58,800
said the cover was the worst cover ever

2729
01:45:02,149 --> 01:45:00,320
and i don't know if it's the best cover

2730
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,159
ever but it was designed by a former

2731
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:04,480
disney artist so it can't be that bad i

2732
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:05,360
don't know

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01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:07,280
but you wonder everyone's entitled to

2734
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:08,480
their opinion

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01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:10,800
and there we go we have gogs makai from

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scotland from australia we have mike

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jones

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from somewhere out there we don't know

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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

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01:47:58,080 --> 01:47:54,719
and now

2796
01:48:01,910 --> 01:47:58,090
here's gene steinberg

2797
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:03,830
we're out there as people say about the

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01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:06,239
show with gene and chris on the power

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01:48:12,709 --> 01:48:10,080
cast we're having a listener round table

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01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,719
with gogs makai and mike jones and

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01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:14,400
answering a few of your questions any

2802
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:16,000
more comments to make about that last

2803
01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:17,199
question chris

2804
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:19,679
asked before we go on to one or two more

2805
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:21,280
i i had a number of favorites that

2806
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:23,840
they're all great shows um i i

2807
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:25,760
especially enjoy nick redfern when he's

2808
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:28,800
on i enjoyed stanton friedman um when he

2809
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:29,760
was on

2810
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:32,560
um i i think that their forums are

2811
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:35,040
fantastic they're a great place to to

2812
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:37,280
exchange ideas and i think that's the

2813
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:39,360
greatest power of the internet for us

2814
01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:41,360
old-timers you know we started off with

2815
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:44,480
books and and magazines uh and attending

2816
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,199
the odd event in real life but the

2817
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:49,520
internet has really allowed people to

2818
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:51,679
really come together and explore their

2819
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:54,480
ideas together in ways that we just

2820
01:48:59,750 --> 01:48:56,639
couldn't do in the old days chris how

2821
01:49:02,629 --> 01:48:59,760
about you because you joined the show

2822
01:49:04,390 --> 01:49:02,639
say in 2010 first as a guest host and

2823
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:04,400
the permanent co-host

2824
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:07,199
but up until then we have a lot of shows

2825
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:09,199
any favorites that you'd like to listen

2826
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:10,719
to more than once

2827
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,040
well yeah in light of the book that i'm

2828
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:15,040
i'm currently finishing up on the cattle

2829
01:49:18,109 --> 01:49:16,960
mutilation phenomenon the round table we

2830
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:18,119
had with the

2831
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:19,920
ex-police

2832
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:23,040
officer from fife alabama ted oliphant

2833
01:49:26,629 --> 01:49:24,239
and

2834
01:49:29,590 --> 01:49:26,639
the animal pathology field unit

2835
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:29,600
investigator uh from wales uh phillip

2836
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,480
hoyle

2837
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:32,400
that that really sticks in my mind

2838
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:34,080
because it was one of the first shows

2839
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:36,080
that i was a co-host on and

2840
01:49:40,870 --> 01:49:38,560
and um i have had to go over it a number

2841
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:40,880
of times i actually did a transcript of

2842
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:44,480
the show you have my sympathy sir

2843
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:46,560
someone who actually has

2844
01:49:50,870 --> 01:49:48,000
a business

2845
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:50,880
of doing transcripts sent us a sample of

2846
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:53,119
the james fox episode which i'll post

2847
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:54,159
soon

2848
01:49:59,750 --> 01:49:57,520
so it can be done oh yeah yeah oh it

2849
01:50:01,830 --> 01:49:59,760
definitely can be done um

2850
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:01,840
of course sometimes phone connections

2851
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:04,320
and um and kind of

2852
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:06,239
scratchy audio in the case of ted

2853
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:07,920
elephant makes it a little bit more

2854
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:09,280
difficult but

2855
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:11,280
you know there's been so many shows it

2856
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:13,760
was a thrill for me to have a jacques

2857
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:15,280
vallee on

2858
01:50:18,870 --> 01:50:16,480
i i just

2859
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:18,880
was very thrilled the stanton friedman

2860
01:50:23,109 --> 01:50:20,960
john alexander episode

2861
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:23,119
sticks in my mind

2862
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:25,760
we've had so many shows uh with so many

2863
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:27,760
high points and and we've had a few

2864
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:30,320
shows with some low points but i think

2865
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:31,520
that's one of the

2866
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:33,520
the magical things about the paracast

2867
01:50:37,830 --> 01:50:35,440
and always has been since

2868
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:37,840
its inception in 2006

2869
01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:38,560
is

2870
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:41,280
not only do we get good quality guests i

2871
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:42,960
think from week to week

2872
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:45,280
but we were able to pull some

2873
01:50:49,350 --> 01:50:47,760
interesting bits out of out of everyone

2874
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:49,360
that we get on the show

2875
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:50,320
uh

2876
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:52,719
the clifford mahouti show um i felt was

2877
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:54,719
really groundbreaking because for the

2878
01:50:59,590 --> 01:50:57,440
first time we had a a native american

2879
01:51:02,310 --> 01:50:59,600
elder of the in the pueblo tradition a

2880
01:51:03,590 --> 01:51:02,320
zuni elder coming out and stating for

2881
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:03,600
the first time

2882
01:51:08,229 --> 01:51:06,080
on international uh international you

2883
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:08,239
know platformer forum

2884
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:10,480
some of their most closely held

2885
01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:12,239
star knowledge and and star being

2886
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:13,760
knowledge so

2887
01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:16,239
every week i learn something new

2888
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:17,920
uh there are some weeks where i learn a

2889
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:20,800
lot more than i do other weeks but

2890
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:23,520
i i do particularly

2891
01:51:32,070 --> 01:51:24,400
i

2892
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:32,080
to some of the meltdown shows that are

2893
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:34,080
actually becoming a little bit notorious

2894
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:38,159
uh by now and and i enjoy uh

2895
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:41,440
you know my previous uh co-hosts uh

2896
01:51:50,229 --> 01:51:42,320
uh

2897
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:50,239
some of the guests that we had on in the

2898
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:51,599
first three years

2899
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:53,199
i think the show is a little kinder and

2900
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:56,080
gentler now but we still are digging

2901
01:52:01,510 --> 01:51:59,280
into what makes people's thinking tick

2902
01:52:03,270 --> 01:52:01,520
how they can back up their particular

2903
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:03,280
analysis and theories

2904
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:06,800
uh as as for the forum there are so many

2905
01:52:12,310 --> 01:52:09,199
threads on here we're up into the tens

2906
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:12,320
and tens of thousands of posts

2907
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:15,440
um like i said earlier in the show

2908
01:52:20,229 --> 01:52:17,920
there are a lot of people that post at

2909
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:20,239
forum.theparacast.com

2910
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:24,159
that i learn and and actually sometimes

2911
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:26,000
jaw-dropping facts

2912
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:28,480
and uh constant you know it's a constant

2913
01:52:34,629 --> 01:52:31,840
source of of links and and places to go

2914
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:34,639
to do further research about subjects um

2915
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:37,040
we have a very vibrant community here i

2916
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:38,719
think mike and goggs there's there's a

2917
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:43,199
number of us uh who have posted

2918
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:45,920
up into the thousands of times that not

2919
01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:47,520
only bring their

2920
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:49,840
their experience and their

2921
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:51,840
you know their gravitas and their their

2922
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:54,639
expertise to bear on subjects but also

2923
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,880
inspire others to do further research i

2924
01:52:59,589 --> 01:52:58,480
think it's important for a forum

2925
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:59,599
community

2926
01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:00,960
to inspire

2927
01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:03,040
its members uh to

2928
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:06,080
you know dig further and get deeper into

2929
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:08,719
particular subjects and it's it's

2930
01:53:12,950 --> 01:53:11,040
freewheeling and

2931
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:12,960
you know the music thread i i don't know

2932
01:53:17,109 --> 01:53:15,599
how many posts we have on there now you

2933
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:17,119
know people posting

2934
01:53:21,669 --> 01:53:19,119
music i've been turned on to so many

2935
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:21,679
cool bands and artists and stuff just on

2936
01:53:26,070 --> 01:53:23,840
that one single thread and

2937
01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:26,080
you know that's i agree totally with

2938
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:27,760
mike and goggs that this is what the

2939
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:30,000
internet this is one of the the biggest

2940
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:31,119
positive

2941
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:33,360
uh elements of the internet is it's

2942
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:36,239
instant access to sources and materials

2943
01:53:39,910 --> 01:53:37,760
that further your own knowledge and

2944
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,920
that's really important and we really

2945
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:42,080
try to maximize that here gene you know

2946
01:53:45,589 --> 01:53:43,119
one of the

2947
01:53:48,229 --> 01:53:45,599
best shows i think we've done at any

2948
01:53:50,709 --> 01:53:48,239
time would be when we lose somebody in

2949
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:50,719
the field and we do a memorial show so

2950
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:53,760
for example we had john keel back in

2951
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:56,239
2009 we did john keel remembered we had

2952
01:54:01,430 --> 01:53:58,960
tim beckley jerry clark lauren coleman

2953
01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:01,440
jim mosley and we had a memorial show

2954
01:54:05,589 --> 01:54:03,760
about jim too brad steiger

2955
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:05,599
and kurt sutherly so we had a lot of

2956
01:54:09,589 --> 01:54:07,280
people who knew these

2957
01:54:11,669 --> 01:54:09,599
researchers and we bring them on and a

2958
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:11,679
lot of times these people aren't

2959
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:14,239
regulars for paranormal shows like jerry

2960
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:15,760
clark doesn't go on these shows very

2961
01:54:20,070 --> 01:54:18,880
often then we had richard hall's

2962
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:20,080
passing

2963
01:54:27,189 --> 01:54:22,880
honored with jerry clark don ecker paul

2964
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:27,199
kimball dr bruce mcabee and kevin randle

2965
01:54:32,709 --> 01:54:29,520
interesting conglomeration of people

2966
01:54:34,629 --> 01:54:32,719
that was august 2nd 2009

2967
01:54:37,109 --> 01:54:34,639
and when mac tony's who came up with the

2968
01:54:39,910 --> 01:54:37,119
theory about crypto terrestrials and he

2969
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:39,920
had such a short life span he died

2970
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:41,520
in his thirties

2971
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:43,760
just so unfortunate so sudden

2972
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:46,080
and we had greg bishop paul kimball

2973
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:48,000
patrick weech from

2974
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:50,080
anomalous books i mean we're talking

2975
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:52,239
about some people who

2976
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:54,400
you know always hear on the shows and we

2977
01:54:58,709 --> 01:54:56,880
were really glad to have them on

2978
01:55:01,510 --> 01:54:58,719
so that's a sample of what we've had and

2979
01:55:03,510 --> 01:55:01,520
just looking at more recent shows lou

2980
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:03,520
ferris who was really a stalwart in the

2981
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:04,960
ufo field

2982
01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:07,920
and he passed on in 2012 we brought on

2983
01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:10,400
jerry clark again rick hillberg you've

2984
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probably never heard

2985
01:55:16,629 --> 01:55:14,560
on radio but rick is an old friend of

2986
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mine and he's been involved in ufo

2987
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:20,000
research since the 1960s he's still at

2988
01:55:24,870 --> 01:55:23,280
it kurt sutherly and nancy talbot joined

2989
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us for that one

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01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:26,000
and then

2991
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:29,760
jim mosley jim mosley died in 2012

2992
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:32,320
someone i've known a very large portion

2993
01:55:36,870 --> 01:55:35,040
of my life we brought on tim beckley

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jerry clark with whom he'd had some

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friction at time and time and then alan

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greenfield geneva hagen and bob zanotti

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and of course bob

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is a long time radio talk show host

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who did a lot of shows with jim

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and we even presented

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some of the shows with long

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gone

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paranormal ufo researchers

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01:56:01,510 --> 01:55:59,679
on the power cast a couple of years back

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01:56:04,149 --> 01:56:01,520
and by the way bob and i talked

3006
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:04,159
regularly and maybe we'll do some more

3007
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so you'll not only hear

3008
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the best of what we've done but some of

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the things that bob did

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way back in the 1960s

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that may have some relevance however aj

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javair from brazil

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he's done a couple of really good shows

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i like aj he's really a character and

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he's really knowledgeable and it's

3016
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always fun to talk with him we've had

3017
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:29,119
him on the show three or four times

3018
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and he has an interesting perspective

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but what's most interesting is he lives

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in the country brazil

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where ufo research appears to be taking

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far more seriously than it is here well

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it's mainstream

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sure and so he works with people in the

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government to get this information i

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only wish that aj would come out with an

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all english version of his publication

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get distribution here because i think

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01:56:59,109 --> 01:56:57,040
he's got a lot of evidence that we

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should know about really should

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that's aj gervais and that's a sample of

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what we're talking about here on the

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power cast we've been around since 2006.

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it's hard to believe we've been here

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over seven years it'll be eight years

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very soon and they didn't think we'd get

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past the first episode

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goggs makai is from scotland one of our

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forum moderators and one of our

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listeners an occasional show guest we

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have mike jones joining us from

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australia for the first time with gene

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mike jones goggs makai with gina and

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chris in the power cast do we have any

3152
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questions left in our till we didn't

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give listeners more than a couple of

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hours warning

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well we do um and i just want to add

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before i go on to the next question that

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any time we have a active field

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investigator stan gordon comes to mind

3159
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those are the shows that i really look

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forward to as a co-host

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to

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you know learn some some techniques and

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some

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veterans who've been out in the field

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for years uh those are those are some of

3166
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my favorite shows

3167
02:02:42,870 --> 02:02:39,040
well we have um

3168
02:02:47,669 --> 02:02:45,510
it's kind of uh off topic but again

3169
02:02:49,109 --> 02:02:47,679
nameless uh wants to know

3170
02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:49,119
if

3171
02:02:54,310 --> 02:02:51,840
you guys think the new star trek film

3172
02:02:56,709 --> 02:02:54,320
has generated lots of criticism he

3173
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thought it was okay but he could see why

3174
02:03:01,430 --> 02:02:59,119
trekkers might be up in arms anybody

3175
02:03:03,990 --> 02:03:01,440
have any comments on the latest star

3176
02:03:06,229 --> 02:03:04,000
trek film the film is called star trek

3177
02:03:07,109 --> 02:03:06,239
into darkness

3178
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:07,119
and

3179
02:03:11,589 --> 02:03:09,520
i think one of the things that trekkers

3180
02:03:15,270 --> 02:03:11,599
are annoyed about is the fact that they

3181
02:03:18,070 --> 02:03:15,280
re-imagine the most notorious villain in

3182
02:03:18,950 --> 02:03:18,080
the star trek canon khan

3183
02:03:21,350 --> 02:03:18,960
now

3184
02:03:23,430 --> 02:03:21,360
khan appears a character in star trek

3185
02:03:26,470 --> 02:03:23,440
twice in the original series

3186
02:03:27,589 --> 02:03:26,480
and also in star trek to the wrath of

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khan

3188
02:03:31,990 --> 02:03:28,719
the

3189
02:03:33,589 --> 02:03:32,000
late character actor ricardo montalban

3190
02:03:36,310 --> 02:03:33,599
spanish actor

3191
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:36,320
played khan who was i guess indian

3192
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okay

3193
02:03:40,870 --> 02:03:39,920
so he played it with his spanish accent

3194
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but he

3195
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was a great character actor played him

3196
02:03:47,589 --> 02:03:45,679
over the top really the only person more

3197
02:03:49,669 --> 02:03:47,599
over the top than uh than william

3198
02:03:52,070 --> 02:03:49,679
shatner you're right i mean if you want

3199
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to have two over-the-top actors

3200
02:03:55,109 --> 02:03:54,080
play against each other chewing the

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scenery

3202
02:03:57,750 --> 02:03:56,880
ricardo montalban

3203
02:04:00,310 --> 02:03:57,760
and

3204
02:04:02,149 --> 02:04:00,320
who played mr rourke on that tv show if

3205
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you remember that and of course william

3206
02:04:06,149 --> 02:04:03,599
shatner so

3207
02:04:08,390 --> 02:04:06,159
in the movie they reimagined

3208
02:04:10,229 --> 02:04:08,400
the khan character now understand with

3209
02:04:12,870 --> 02:04:10,239
star trek into darkness the new star

3210
02:04:13,910 --> 02:04:12,880
trek movies that were directed by jj

3211
02:04:17,109 --> 02:04:13,920
abrams

3212
02:04:18,870 --> 02:04:17,119
they take place in alternate timeline so

3213
02:04:20,709 --> 02:04:18,880
therefore they can reinvent everything

3214
02:04:23,030 --> 02:04:20,719
you could have the same characters

3215
02:04:24,390 --> 02:04:23,040
with new performers playing them but all

3216
02:04:27,430 --> 02:04:24,400
the things that happen in the original

3217
02:04:28,470 --> 02:04:27,440
star trek no longer apply it was a smart

3218
02:04:31,189 --> 02:04:28,480
thing to do

3219
02:04:35,430 --> 02:04:31,199
because this way you don't have to worry

3220
02:04:38,149 --> 02:04:35,440
about whether some obscure scene in 1967

3221
02:04:40,390 --> 02:04:38,159
on the original series which set forth

3222
02:04:42,470 --> 02:04:40,400
something has suddenly been violated

3223
02:04:43,990 --> 02:04:42,480
because it's a new timeline

3224
02:04:46,470 --> 02:04:44,000
it's all different

3225
02:04:48,070 --> 02:04:46,480
the use of the con character is

3226
02:04:50,470 --> 02:04:48,080
controversial

3227
02:04:52,629 --> 02:04:50,480
and let me give you a spoiler okay i'm

3228
02:04:54,149 --> 02:04:52,639
going to ask you if you haven't seen

3229
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:54,159
star trek in the darkness and you want

3230
02:04:57,350 --> 02:04:55,440
to be surprised

3231
02:04:59,109 --> 02:04:57,360
turn down the volume control for a

3232
02:05:00,390 --> 02:04:59,119
couple of minutes here because what

3233
02:05:03,030 --> 02:05:00,400
happened here

3234
02:05:04,470 --> 02:05:03,040
is we have the character khan in star

3235
02:05:06,390 --> 02:05:04,480
trek 2

3236
02:05:07,910 --> 02:05:06,400
spock dies

3237
02:05:10,550 --> 02:05:07,920
from radiation poisoning he's

3238
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resurrected in a very complicated

3239
02:05:14,310 --> 02:05:12,000
thing involving

3240
02:05:15,510 --> 02:05:14,320
vulcan physiology and

3241
02:05:16,390 --> 02:05:15,520
mistakes

3242
02:05:21,750 --> 02:05:16,400
and

3243
02:05:23,910 --> 02:05:21,760
this all brought him back to life

3244
02:05:25,910 --> 02:05:23,920
in star trek iii the search for spock

3245
02:05:28,550 --> 02:05:25,920
which was directed by spock by the way

3246
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:28,560
leonard nimoy directed that film okay

3247
02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:31,119
in star trek in the darkness

3248
02:05:35,109 --> 02:05:32,960
captain kirk is the one who goes into

3249
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this area with the high radiation

3250
02:05:40,229 --> 02:05:36,719
he dies

3251
02:05:43,270 --> 02:05:40,239
and the classic line khan that william

3252
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:43,280
shatner uttered is uttered this time by

3253
02:05:46,870 --> 02:05:44,480
spock

3254
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who is confronted with the death of his

3255
02:05:50,229 --> 02:05:48,719
friend captain kirk who by the way is

3256
02:05:52,709 --> 02:05:50,239
resurrected in the same film they didn't

3257
02:05:54,310 --> 02:05:52,719
wait till another film i think that

3258
02:05:55,510 --> 02:05:54,320
whole part of it

3259
02:05:58,390 --> 02:05:55,520
was very

3260
02:06:00,550 --> 02:05:58,400
severely criticized by trekkers some of

3261
02:06:03,350 --> 02:06:00,560
whom rate this as the worst film

3262
02:06:04,550 --> 02:06:03,360
in the star trek universe the worst star

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trek film

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now in terms of box office

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it did what 450 million dollars or

3266
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something like that made a lot of money

3267
02:06:14,149 --> 02:06:12,719
there's going to be a third star trek

3268
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film with a different director because

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jj abrams went on to do

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star wars

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02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:18,960
how about that

3272
02:06:23,270 --> 02:06:21,360
so what's my opinion about all this i

3273
02:06:25,350 --> 02:06:23,280
think it was a really good film

3274
02:06:26,550 --> 02:06:25,360
i think you have to kind of sit back and

3275
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enjoy

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02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:28,000
the experience

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02:06:34,069 --> 02:06:31,199
and don't worry about whether they

3278
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did a take on or violated

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02:06:38,069 --> 02:06:36,239
something in the star trek canon because

3280
02:06:39,669 --> 02:06:38,079
it's a new universe it's kind of like

3281
02:06:41,750 --> 02:06:39,679
the controversy with the film man of

3282
02:06:42,709 --> 02:06:41,760
steel the superman reboot

3283
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:42,719
where

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02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:44,400
spoiler and again

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02:06:47,990 --> 02:06:45,760
superman

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kills general zod they say they can't

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happen but actually in the comic books

3288
02:06:53,830 --> 02:06:51,760
it has happened that's my opinion anyone

3289
02:06:57,350 --> 02:06:53,840
else see the film mike you're a huge

3290
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:57,360
sci-fi fan like myself so you must have

3291
02:07:01,109 --> 02:06:58,480
something to say

3292
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i uh i haven't seen the film yet um but

3293
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i was reading the review the other day

3294
02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:04,960
i'm about to purchase it on blu-ray in

3295
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3d and

3296
02:07:10,950 --> 02:07:08,960
what the the review said was that in

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terms of the 3d it's probably the most

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impressive application

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02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:15,199
of the 3d technology on blu-ray that

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02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:17,920
we've yet seen so i'm very much looking

3301
02:07:20,790 --> 02:07:19,040
forward to it i actually went to the

3302
02:07:23,109 --> 02:07:20,800
shops last week to get a copy and

3303
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:23,119
couldn't find one um but i will be

3304
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getting a copy soon i guess yeah the

3305
02:07:31,189 --> 02:07:28,320
changing the timeline was something that

3306
02:07:33,910 --> 02:07:31,199
that had to be done because otherwise as

3307
02:07:35,589 --> 02:07:33,920
gene alluded to the the hardcore fandom

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02:07:37,270 --> 02:07:35,599
would just rip it to shreds at every

3309
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step and that was going to happen one

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way or the other anyway but i guess by

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02:07:44,470 --> 02:07:41,599
doing it this way he mitigates a lot of

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the potential um damage that could have

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come out of that scenario you're never

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going to make everybody happy all of the

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time i i love the first one i thought

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02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:53,119
the characterizations were spot on i

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thought that um

3318
02:07:59,030 --> 02:07:57,440
there were aspects i didn't like um uh

3319
02:08:01,270 --> 02:07:59,040
but but for the most part i thought it

3320
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was a great movie and i think in terms

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of performances

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i like

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the guy who plays

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dr mccoy who by the way is doing a tv

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series for cbs almost human

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where his partner it's a futuristic

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procedural

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is an android okay i think chris pine

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does a great bill shatner he doesn't

3330
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have the voice but he has

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the attitude

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and the swagger of william shatner i

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think he does a great job not so much

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zachary quinto who plays spock he has

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the look

3336
02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:37,199
but he doesn't have

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leonard nimoy's attitude to spock well

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02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:42,400
spock with a love interest that just

3339
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didn't sit with me at all

3340
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well you know i think they want to be

3341
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very different but why not you know

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02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:51,440
obviously we have to consider this way

3343
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his father married an earth woman so why

3344
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shouldn't he be in love with an earth

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woman right and plus you have a whole

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potential 50 plus percent of the

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audience being female so you've got to

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have

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romantic attachment that that has depth

3350
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and meaning so

3351
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so it should have been kirk with a

3352
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ripped shirt fighting an alien down on a

3353
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planet you know winning a lady that that

3354
02:09:19,750 --> 02:09:17,119
would be starting now okay but remember

3355
02:09:21,830 --> 02:09:19,760
carol marcus is in the film so does he

3356
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have a love child with her in the next

3357
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yeah i have to agree with gogs i i

3358
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didn't like the love interest with with

3359
02:09:32,550 --> 02:09:30,400
spock i mean alternative universes are

3360
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one thing but you know vulcan physiology

3361
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should have been the same all the way

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through and unless he was going through

3363
02:09:39,270 --> 02:09:37,679
the pond far then there really was no

3364
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excuse for spock to have any sort of

3365
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love interest at all in the plot but how

3366
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then you'd explain his father remember

3367
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his father's married to an earth woman

3368
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yes he was but they don't sort of

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explore too much as to how i i imagine

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that that amanda's relationship with a

3371
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balkan would not be the same as her

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relationship with a human i imagine that

3373
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for the most part it would be fairly um

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platonic uh except for when when the the

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vulcan mating um

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so basically vulcans never believe in

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casual sex we have gogs makai joining us

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science fiction is there because science

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fiction i think to some degree

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influenced the ufo field goggs makai

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and mike jones like the day the earth

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stood still

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with mike rennie as clatto in the

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silvery uniform

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i think that influenced some of the

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early contact claims especially george

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adamski

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what do you think guys

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yeah absolutely earth versus the flying

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saucers too as well which by the way was

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adapted strangely enough from a book by

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major donald kehoe flying sausage from

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outer space they optioned it

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and i think the first two minutes talked

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about ufo sightings and the rest was a

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great b science fiction film and kehoe

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was really upset over that by the way he

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really expected they were going to make

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a real film about ufos and not just

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a film that

3514
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used that as a pretext although the

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special effects are pretty good for the

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roy harry haasen i i've used uh those

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special effects in a number of mock

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trailers that i produced uh stop motion

3519
02:16:06,870 --> 02:16:03,679
yeah they're just just wonderful just

3520
02:16:08,790 --> 02:16:06,880
i'm a big fan of uh the big rh yeah

3521
02:16:10,790 --> 02:16:08,800
jason the argonauts

3522
02:16:12,470 --> 02:16:10,800
oh that's so classic wasn't that one of

3523
02:16:15,109 --> 02:16:12,480
his last films

3524
02:16:17,750 --> 02:16:15,119
that he did jason in the argonauts it

3525
02:16:19,430 --> 02:16:17,760
wasn't that long that he died yeah i

3526
02:16:21,109 --> 02:16:19,440
think i think it was the last major one

3527
02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:21,119
that he did gene

3528
02:16:24,149 --> 02:16:22,960
yeah but he had retired for a number of

3529
02:16:26,149 --> 02:16:24,159
years

3530
02:16:28,790 --> 02:16:26,159
i know that and the thing is you have to

3531
02:16:31,510 --> 02:16:28,800
consider now special effects today may

3532
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:31,520
not be as good or maybe better but it's

3533
02:16:35,830 --> 02:16:33,679
easier because you're just

3534
02:16:37,669 --> 02:16:35,840
doing it with computerized artwork we're

3535
02:16:40,150 --> 02:16:37,679
talking about stop motion which is

3536
02:16:42,549 --> 02:16:40,160
literally what you hear you take this

3537
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:42,559
model this model that you make

3538
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:44,080
of the creature

3539
02:16:47,910 --> 02:16:46,479
of the flying saucer whatever and you

3540
02:16:50,230 --> 02:16:47,920
take a picture

3541
02:16:51,910 --> 02:16:50,240
and then you have to either move it very

3542
02:16:55,030 --> 02:16:51,920
slightly

3543
02:16:56,389 --> 02:16:55,040
over 24 frames per second

3544
02:16:57,830 --> 02:16:56,399
and each

3545
02:16:59,669 --> 02:16:57,840
movement

3546
02:17:01,990 --> 02:16:59,679
is another picture

3547
02:17:04,950 --> 02:17:02,000
it it sounds to me

3548
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:04,960
incredibly complicated and it takes a

3549
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:07,920
long time and the fact that it works as

3550
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:10,800
well as it does is amazing

3551
02:17:14,790 --> 02:17:12,880
remember you've got to incorp like like

3552
02:17:16,709 --> 02:17:14,800
chris just mentioned the the fighting

3553
02:17:18,629 --> 02:17:16,719
skeleton scene you've got you know

3554
02:17:21,030 --> 02:17:18,639
you're talking about what in the 50s and

3555
02:17:24,629 --> 02:17:21,040
they're incorporating stop motion with

3556
02:17:27,669 --> 02:17:24,639
live action in a fight and it looks you

3557
02:17:30,389 --> 02:17:27,679
know it still looks good today it looks

3558
02:17:33,030 --> 02:17:30,399
like those guys are fighting those

3559
02:17:35,270 --> 02:17:33,040
animated skeletons but you know to make

3560
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:35,280
it you had a pile of actors i don't know

3561
02:17:39,990 --> 02:17:37,519
just looking at thin air it wasn't even

3562
02:17:41,030 --> 02:17:40,000
green screens or anything and you had

3563
02:17:44,150 --> 02:17:41,040
models

3564
02:17:45,669 --> 02:17:44,160
being moved incrementally over weeks and

3565
02:17:48,309 --> 02:17:45,679
weeks if not months and months and

3566
02:17:50,469 --> 02:17:48,319
months and they put that together and it

3567
02:17:51,910 --> 02:17:50,479
came out with something brilliant i i

3568
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:51,920
think you could show

3569
02:17:56,629 --> 02:17:54,319
jason and the argonauts to you know any

3570
02:17:58,549 --> 02:17:56,639
kid today and they'll get a kick out of

3571
02:18:00,709 --> 02:17:58,559
that movie even though it looks a bit

3572
02:18:03,190 --> 02:18:00,719
aged and the effects aren't you know

3573
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:03,200
quite jurassic park in their own way

3574
02:18:07,830 --> 02:18:05,200
they're they're they're even better

3575
02:18:08,709 --> 02:18:07,840
because of what they were made with i

3576
02:18:13,349 --> 02:18:08,719
mean

3577
02:18:15,429 --> 02:18:13,359
that's back in the old analog days and

3578
02:18:18,389 --> 02:18:15,439
boy i'll tell you had to have

3579
02:18:20,950 --> 02:18:18,399
an incredible amount of focus for detail

3580
02:18:21,910 --> 02:18:20,960
and perseverance you mentioned weeks and

3581
02:18:24,389 --> 02:18:21,920
months

3582
02:18:25,990 --> 02:18:24,399
you can do that stuff now on a computer

3583
02:18:27,429 --> 02:18:26,000
in hours

3584
02:18:29,110 --> 02:18:27,439
well let's just take a look by the way

3585
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:29,120
the films he did

3586
02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:30,080
the

3587
02:18:35,349 --> 02:18:32,080
last films he did were

3588
02:18:38,469 --> 02:18:35,359
golden voyage of sinbad 1973 sinbad in

3589
02:18:41,190 --> 02:18:38,479
the eye of the tiger 1977

3590
02:18:42,309 --> 02:18:41,200
and clash of the titans the original

3591
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:42,319
version

3592
02:18:47,429 --> 02:18:45,280
not the new one in 1981 and he did some

3593
02:18:52,629 --> 02:18:47,439
shorts and stuff like that after that

3594
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:52,639
but in 1981 he basically retired he died

3595
02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:55,439
just this year at the age of 92.

3596
02:19:00,150 --> 02:18:57,519
ray harryhausen

3597
02:19:01,830 --> 02:19:00,160
who probably influenced more people out

3598
02:19:04,629 --> 02:19:01,840
there more current filmmakers with

3599
02:19:06,389 --> 02:19:04,639
special effects and just about anybody

3600
02:19:09,830 --> 02:19:06,399
now going back to star trek uh

3601
02:19:12,389 --> 02:19:09,840
guaranteed jj abrams has been a big fan

3602
02:19:15,990 --> 02:19:12,399
you can bet he was i would say however

3603
02:19:17,509 --> 02:19:16,000
that i kind of regard jj abrams a lot of

3604
02:19:19,589 --> 02:19:17,519
things he does

3605
02:19:21,349 --> 02:19:19,599
are kind of flawed in different ways i

3606
02:19:22,629 --> 02:19:21,359
mean you got to look at all his tv shows

3607
02:19:24,469 --> 02:19:22,639
for example

3608
02:19:26,709 --> 02:19:24,479
like alias

3609
02:19:29,190 --> 02:19:26,719
the one that made jennifer garner a star

3610
02:19:30,950 --> 02:19:29,200
before she met and married ben affleck i

3611
02:19:32,709 --> 02:19:30,960
really liked it a lot of things were

3612
02:19:35,429 --> 02:19:32,719
done well but then the series kind of

3613
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:35,439
descended into all this mythology in the

3614
02:19:40,230 --> 02:19:37,120
last year or two

3615
02:19:43,190 --> 02:19:40,240
lost i think to this day people are

3616
02:19:45,429 --> 02:19:43,200
trying to explain the ending yeah

3617
02:19:47,509 --> 02:19:45,439
they're trying to explain the ending

3618
02:19:49,030 --> 02:19:47,519
then we had fringe and fringe of course

3619
02:19:51,270 --> 02:19:49,040
started getting involved in alternate

3620
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:51,280
timelines and everything else kind of

3621
02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:54,000
like what jj used with star trek and

3622
02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:56,560
that got kind of confusing too and i

3623
02:20:01,830 --> 02:19:59,760
think the last couple of years were hard

3624
02:20:04,630 --> 02:20:01,840
for most people to watch the ratings

3625
02:20:05,910 --> 02:20:04,640
were down but they let the series run

3626
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:05,920
its course

3627
02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:07,920
but that's what you see there where

3628
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:09,600
sometimes these

3629
02:20:13,750 --> 02:20:11,760
programs that he does get out of control

3630
02:20:14,870 --> 02:20:13,760
my criticism of the first star trek for

3631
02:20:17,030 --> 02:20:14,880
example

3632
02:20:19,429 --> 02:20:17,040
to show the size of everything you had

3633
02:20:20,790 --> 02:20:19,439
endless scenes of running around

3634
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:20,800
the enterprise

3635
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:22,240
and the reason you had them running

3636
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:24,479
around the enterprise is to say look how

3637
02:20:28,389 --> 02:20:26,640
big the ship is we now have all these

3638
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:28,399
advanced special effects

3639
02:20:31,349 --> 02:20:30,000
why do you need to see people running

3640
02:20:33,429 --> 02:20:31,359
all over the place they did a little bit

3641
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:33,439
of that in the second film but the first

3642
02:20:39,270 --> 02:20:36,240
film had too much of this running

3643
02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:39,280
running and more running just to show

3644
02:20:43,990 --> 02:20:41,280
the size of the ship and that very

3645
02:20:45,590 --> 02:20:44,000
little advancement of plot what do you

3646
02:20:47,030 --> 02:20:45,600
the very first star

3647
02:20:49,990 --> 02:20:47,040
trek movie

3648
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:50,000
probably a sizable portion 10 15 percent

3649
02:20:55,030 --> 02:20:52,720
of the movie was reaction shots of the

3650
02:20:57,429 --> 02:20:55,040
of the principals looking at the view

3651
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:57,439
screen on the bridge to see all the

3652
02:21:01,990 --> 02:21:00,080
stuff around him yes a lot of it was

3653
02:21:03,110 --> 02:21:02,000
overly focused

3654
02:21:05,270 --> 02:21:03,120
on

3655
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:05,280
showing the return to the enterprise oh

3656
02:21:09,670 --> 02:21:07,040
my god we're back at the enterprise

3657
02:21:11,510 --> 02:21:09,680
let's do you know five minutes on that

3658
02:21:14,150 --> 02:21:11,520
oh by the way the director the ufo

3659
02:21:16,150 --> 02:21:14,160
connection folks the director of

3660
02:21:19,030 --> 02:21:16,160
star trek the motion picture

3661
02:21:21,590 --> 02:21:19,040
back in what 1978 or so robert weiss who

3662
02:21:23,750 --> 02:21:21,600
directed the davier stood still

3663
02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:23,760
also the sound of music by the way and

3664
02:21:28,469 --> 02:21:26,399
was a believer in ufos

3665
02:21:29,750 --> 02:21:28,479
the ufo connection

3666
02:21:31,990 --> 02:21:29,760
there's also a connection with

3667
02:21:34,550 --> 02:21:32,000
roddenberry as well uh and i haven't

3668
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:34,560
been able to find any concrete links but

3669
02:21:38,870 --> 02:21:36,399
i i have heard it mentioned and i've

3670
02:21:40,870 --> 02:21:38,880
read it in the old-fashioned books that

3671
02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:40,880
roddenberry himself used to visit a

3672
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:43,359
channeler who used to channel

3673
02:21:47,270 --> 02:21:45,520
you know et's from the galactic

3674
02:21:49,910 --> 02:21:47,280
federation and that he got an awful lot

3675
02:21:51,990 --> 02:21:49,920
of his ideas from those sessions

3676
02:21:55,510 --> 02:21:52,000
oh

3677
02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:55,520
wow that's news to me

3678
02:22:00,630 --> 02:21:57,280
uh so yeah a couple of books i read

3679
02:22:03,110 --> 02:22:00,640
years ago um that dealt with ufos but

3680
02:22:05,030 --> 02:22:03,120
one by a local australian lady

3681
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:05,040
made mention of it now you know you

3682
02:22:08,150 --> 02:22:06,240
can't believe everything you read

3683
02:22:10,389 --> 02:22:08,160
obviously in this world but i certainly

3684
02:22:12,870 --> 02:22:10,399
have come across references to gene

3685
02:22:15,750 --> 02:22:12,880
roddenberry visiting a channeler

3686
02:22:19,110 --> 02:22:15,760
who was then channeling et's

3687
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:19,120
a bit like blossom good child i guess

3688
02:22:22,630 --> 02:22:20,880
but there was all that raw channeling

3689
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:22,640
going on in those days as well so it's

3690
02:22:27,110 --> 02:22:24,800
not beyond the realm of the possibility

3691
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:27,120
um that that he may have in fact visited

3692
02:22:31,670 --> 02:22:30,160
a channel and got some of his ideas um

3693
02:22:34,150 --> 02:22:31,680
from those sessions

3694
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:34,160
so just think all these iconic

3695
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:36,560
characters in star trek

3696
02:22:41,910 --> 02:22:40,399
they all came because of a channeler

3697
02:22:44,309 --> 02:22:41,920
huh

3698
02:22:46,469 --> 02:22:44,319
well i'd love to know

3699
02:22:47,750 --> 02:22:46,479
the truth behind that it doesn't matter

3700
02:22:49,270 --> 02:22:47,760
though because we're talking about

3701
02:22:51,750 --> 02:22:49,280
fiction folks

3702
02:22:53,429 --> 02:22:51,760
this is science fiction it's not real so

3703
02:22:57,110 --> 02:22:53,439
it doesn't matter where he got his

3704
02:22:59,429 --> 02:22:57,120
inspiration actually what supposedly

3705
02:23:01,590 --> 02:22:59,439
his inspiration was based on was doing a

3706
02:23:03,110 --> 02:23:01,600
wagon train

3707
02:23:04,950 --> 02:23:03,120
in the stars

3708
02:23:06,790 --> 02:23:04,960
take the wagon train tv show that's

3709
02:23:07,910 --> 02:23:06,800
where he pitched it to the network

3710
02:23:12,710 --> 02:23:07,920
and

3711
02:23:15,990 --> 02:23:12,720
you all know the

3712
02:23:18,550 --> 02:23:16,000
connection to star trek of lucille ball

3713
02:23:21,270 --> 02:23:18,560
what was lucille ball's connection

3714
02:23:24,469 --> 02:23:21,280
productions that's right okay so when

3715
02:23:27,110 --> 02:23:24,479
she got divorced from desi arnaz from

3716
02:23:28,630 --> 02:23:27,120
the 60s she took control

3717
02:23:30,469 --> 02:23:28,640
of this studio

3718
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:30,479
that they had which produced their show

3719
02:23:36,230 --> 02:23:33,280
i love lucy and others desi lou

3720
02:23:37,670 --> 02:23:36,240
and desi lou greenlit or she greenlit

3721
02:23:38,550 --> 02:23:37,680
star trek

3722
02:23:41,270 --> 02:23:38,560
okay

3723
02:23:42,230 --> 02:23:41,280
so it was a desilu production then star

3724
02:23:45,110 --> 02:23:42,240
trek

3725
02:23:47,030 --> 02:23:45,120
of course was part of the acquisition

3726
02:23:49,429 --> 02:23:47,040
of paramount pictures when they bought

3727
02:23:51,670 --> 02:23:49,439
desilu from lucille ball so they bought

3728
02:23:54,790 --> 02:23:51,680
daisy lou and it went to

3729
02:23:56,790 --> 02:23:54,800
paramount but lucille ball

3730
02:23:59,110 --> 02:23:56,800
among other things not just being a very

3731
02:24:00,950 --> 02:23:59,120
funny lady and a great actress was a

3732
02:24:01,910 --> 02:24:00,960
very smart business person

3733
02:24:04,309 --> 02:24:01,920
and she

3734
02:24:06,469 --> 02:24:04,319
instinctively understood that star trek

3735
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:06,479
had a possibility of succeeding

3736
02:24:10,469 --> 02:24:09,040
and maybe above all producers maybe she

3737
02:24:11,429 --> 02:24:10,479
was the one who was willing to take a

3738
02:24:14,230 --> 02:24:11,439
chance

3739
02:24:16,950 --> 02:24:14,240
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[Music]

3847
02:28:49,270 --> 02:28:46,080
hi this is nuclear physicist lecturer

3848
02:28:52,790 --> 02:28:49,280
stanton friedman you are listening to

3849
02:28:54,640 --> 02:28:52,800
the parrot cast the gold standard of

3850
02:28:59,990 --> 02:28:54,650
paranormal radio

3851
02:29:03,429 --> 02:29:02,469
we have mike jones from australia we

3852
02:29:08,950 --> 02:29:03,439
have

3853
02:29:10,630 --> 02:29:08,960
one

3854
02:29:12,870 --> 02:29:10,640
left with our show kind of a listeners

3855
02:29:15,750 --> 02:29:12,880
round table where we're going all over

3856
02:29:16,950 --> 02:29:15,760
the place from science fiction movies

3857
02:29:18,790 --> 02:29:16,960
and you have to think about the

3858
02:29:20,710 --> 02:29:18,800
influences of this

3859
02:29:22,389 --> 02:29:20,720
to the field of paranormal or maybe it

3860
02:29:24,309 --> 02:29:22,399
works both ways you know

3861
02:29:25,270 --> 02:29:24,319
that paranormal events things that

3862
02:29:27,349 --> 02:29:25,280
happen

3863
02:29:28,469 --> 02:29:27,359
influence sci-fi writers to do their

3864
02:29:30,309 --> 02:29:28,479
stuff

3865
02:29:31,750 --> 02:29:30,319
and then that in turn influences

3866
02:29:33,910 --> 02:29:31,760
scientists

3867
02:29:34,710 --> 02:29:33,920
that's an interesting circle so do you

3868
02:29:36,309 --> 02:29:34,720
think

3869
02:29:38,230 --> 02:29:36,319
other than some of the early contact

3870
02:29:39,750 --> 02:29:38,240
cases science fiction's influenced the

3871
02:29:42,150 --> 02:29:39,760
ufo field

3872
02:29:44,389 --> 02:29:42,160
i i think that the two are probably tied

3873
02:29:45,750 --> 02:29:44,399
together in some way i mean they're

3874
02:29:47,750 --> 02:29:45,760
definitely tied together what the

3875
02:29:48,710 --> 02:29:47,760
significance of that is does anyone

3876
02:29:50,870 --> 02:29:48,720
guess

3877
02:29:52,950 --> 02:29:50,880
that we know we do come back to the the

3878
02:29:55,590 --> 02:29:52,960
managed scenario

3879
02:29:57,510 --> 02:29:55,600
mankind is being acclimatized to a

3880
02:29:59,910 --> 02:29:57,520
greater reality and science fiction

3881
02:30:02,950 --> 02:29:59,920
would be a perfect vehicle for that

3882
02:30:05,990 --> 02:30:02,960
what do you think cogs um what was the

3883
02:30:11,429 --> 02:30:09,190
about the influence of science fiction

3884
02:30:14,230 --> 02:30:11,439
to the paranormal field

3885
02:30:15,270 --> 02:30:14,240
but what i'll be talking about is

3886
02:30:18,070 --> 02:30:15,280
does the

3887
02:30:19,830 --> 02:30:18,080
does science fiction have an actual

3888
02:30:21,590 --> 02:30:19,840
impact on

3889
02:30:24,469 --> 02:30:21,600
the reality of

3890
02:30:25,590 --> 02:30:24,479
paranormal events or our perception of

3891
02:30:27,910 --> 02:30:25,600
them

3892
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:27,920
i think a combination of both

3893
02:30:32,790 --> 02:30:29,600
i think especially our reaction to

3894
02:30:36,150 --> 02:30:32,800
paranormal events because we are steeped

3895
02:30:38,790 --> 02:30:36,160
in the science fiction society you know

3896
02:30:41,830 --> 02:30:38,800
where we have star trek and star wars

3897
02:30:43,910 --> 02:30:41,840
and all the stuff related to that

3898
02:30:46,870 --> 02:30:43,920
and as a result of which

3899
02:30:49,429 --> 02:30:46,880
when we observe something strange we see

3900
02:30:52,309 --> 02:30:49,439
it in accordance with pop culture well

3901
02:30:54,790 --> 02:30:52,319
certainly before science fiction and tv

3902
02:30:56,710 --> 02:30:54,800
and stuff like that when people saw

3903
02:30:59,670 --> 02:30:56,720
strange things in the sky

3904
02:31:02,309 --> 02:30:59,680
they tend to ascribe that to kind of

3905
02:31:04,630 --> 02:31:02,319
quasi religious things

3906
02:31:06,309 --> 02:31:04,640
uh case in point being fatima and

3907
02:31:08,630 --> 02:31:06,319
portugal where it was you know

3908
02:31:09,429 --> 02:31:08,640
supposedly the virgin mary and what have

3909
02:31:11,910 --> 02:31:09,439
you

3910
02:31:13,590 --> 02:31:11,920
but i suppose people growing up today

3911
02:31:17,190 --> 02:31:13,600
and uh

3912
02:31:19,270 --> 02:31:17,200
in the last in the the tv age uh

3913
02:31:20,070 --> 02:31:19,280
and science fiction age

3914
02:31:22,150 --> 02:31:20,080
uh

3915
02:31:24,550 --> 02:31:22,160
we would i suppose if we see things in

3916
02:31:26,070 --> 02:31:24,560
the sky or even

3917
02:31:29,510 --> 02:31:26,080
other strange things around us we're

3918
02:31:32,389 --> 02:31:29,520
probably more likely to jump to

3919
02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:32,399
more science fiction fictiony because

3920
02:31:38,230 --> 02:31:35,840
that's a word type explanations

3921
02:31:40,309 --> 02:31:38,240
so i thought i would think that science

3922
02:31:43,510 --> 02:31:40,319
fiction for a lot of people

3923
02:31:45,830 --> 02:31:43,520
has taken the place of what religion

3924
02:31:48,150 --> 02:31:45,840
because religion used to cover

3925
02:31:49,910 --> 02:31:48,160
a lot of things and

3926
02:31:52,469 --> 02:31:49,920
you know things that we couldn't explain

3927
02:31:55,190 --> 02:31:52,479
otherwise and i suppose science fiction

3928
02:31:58,070 --> 02:31:55,200
as a an umbrella term

3929
02:31:59,270 --> 02:31:58,080
um fits the job nicely for those who

3930
02:32:01,190 --> 02:31:59,280
don't want to

3931
02:32:02,630 --> 02:32:01,200
ascribe these things to kind of a

3932
02:32:05,190 --> 02:32:02,640
religious

3933
02:32:08,309 --> 02:32:05,200
view science fiction fits the

3934
02:32:09,349 --> 02:32:08,319
mold yeah i i think it's a feedback loop

3935
02:32:12,389 --> 02:32:09,359
i think

3936
02:32:14,710 --> 02:32:12,399
uh life uh is actually

3937
02:32:17,110 --> 02:32:14,720
uh imitated by art and art is imitated

3938
02:32:19,110 --> 02:32:17,120
by life i think it's it's one inspires

3939
02:32:21,349 --> 02:32:19,120
the other inspires the other

3940
02:32:23,830 --> 02:32:21,359
and it helps pull us forward

3941
02:32:27,349 --> 02:32:23,840
in our progression as a sentient species

3942
02:32:29,830 --> 02:32:27,359
and and is pulling us off planet i mean

3943
02:32:32,309 --> 02:32:29,840
my my friend and mentor david perkins i

3944
02:32:34,950 --> 02:32:32,319
think came up with the ultimate theory

3945
02:32:37,030 --> 02:32:34,960
uh that might explain a lot of this um

3946
02:32:38,550 --> 02:32:37,040
ufo activity and other types of things

3947
02:32:40,230 --> 02:32:38,560
cattle mutilations other things

3948
02:32:42,550 --> 02:32:40,240
religious miracles

3949
02:32:44,389 --> 02:32:42,560
and that is that we know that the

3950
02:32:45,830 --> 02:32:44,399
sun is going to go supernova at some

3951
02:32:48,950 --> 02:32:45,840
point

3952
02:32:51,270 --> 02:32:48,960
the earth is going to become a cinder

3953
02:32:52,790 --> 02:32:51,280
life will not be able to survive at some

3954
02:32:53,830 --> 02:32:52,800
point in the future

3955
02:32:55,830 --> 02:32:53,840
and

3956
02:32:58,309 --> 02:32:55,840
there may be some sort of evolutionary

3957
02:32:59,510 --> 02:32:58,319
imperative that's been programmed into

3958
02:33:01,670 --> 02:32:59,520
humanity

3959
02:33:04,150 --> 02:33:01,680
to pull us off planet so that we can see

3960
02:33:05,349 --> 02:33:04,160
the universe like blowing on a dandelion

3961
02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:05,359
blowing those dandelion little

3962
02:33:08,630 --> 02:33:07,120
parachutes around to

3963
02:33:11,110 --> 02:33:08,640
to seed

3964
02:33:13,510 --> 02:33:11,120
see the universe and to

3965
02:33:15,910 --> 02:33:13,520
you know get a foothold

3966
02:33:17,030 --> 02:33:15,920
somewhere out there and continue to

3967
02:33:18,150 --> 02:33:17,040
thrive and

3968
02:33:20,389 --> 02:33:18,160
and it's

3969
02:33:22,150 --> 02:33:20,399
you know it's a survival mechanism that

3970
02:33:24,469 --> 02:33:22,160
is programmed into the

3971
02:33:27,190 --> 02:33:24,479
into the you know collective unconscious

3972
02:33:29,309 --> 02:33:27,200
and we may be supplying ourselves with

3973
02:33:31,510 --> 02:33:29,319
the kinds of of

3974
02:33:32,389 --> 02:33:31,520
inspirations um

3975
02:33:34,469 --> 02:33:32,399
you know

3976
02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:34,479
moments of gnosis

3977
02:33:39,510 --> 02:33:37,200
divine intervention possibly

3978
02:33:40,950 --> 02:33:39,520
to trick us to get ourselves off the

3979
02:33:43,110 --> 02:33:40,960
planet so that we can go out and

3980
02:33:45,590 --> 02:33:43,120
propagate the species this is one of the

3981
02:33:47,590 --> 02:33:45,600
most elegant and wonderful theories that

3982
02:33:49,270 --> 02:33:47,600
that i've heard and

3983
02:33:50,550 --> 02:33:49,280
it makes a lot of sense to me what do

3984
02:33:51,349 --> 02:33:50,560
you guys think

3985
02:33:53,670 --> 02:33:51,359
so

3986
02:33:55,030 --> 02:33:53,680
what you're saying here is that

3987
02:33:57,750 --> 02:33:55,040
we're being

3988
02:34:00,070 --> 02:33:57,760
forced or encouraged to go off planet

3989
02:34:00,950 --> 02:34:00,080
because at some time in the future this

3990
02:34:03,270 --> 02:34:00,960
may

3991
02:34:05,190 --> 02:34:03,280
be a necessity not just something that

3992
02:34:07,590 --> 02:34:05,200
we want to do for science and

3993
02:34:09,830 --> 02:34:07,600
exploration i go with that except for

3994
02:34:12,630 --> 02:34:09,840
the problem that the space program is so

3995
02:34:13,590 --> 02:34:12,640
much languished in recent years maybe we

3996
02:34:17,349 --> 02:34:13,600
need

3997
02:34:19,590 --> 02:34:17,359
more ufos gogs well we've got plenty

3998
02:34:21,510 --> 02:34:19,600
time to do it in terms of you know uh

3999
02:34:23,510 --> 02:34:21,520
when the sun is going to envelop the

4000
02:34:27,110 --> 02:34:23,520
earth but just going back to what chris

4001
02:34:28,550 --> 02:34:27,120
says about you know that theory um

4002
02:34:31,670 --> 02:34:28,560
yeah

4003
02:34:34,230 --> 02:34:31,680
a bit like panspermia we we may not even

4004
02:34:36,950 --> 02:34:34,240
be the we may be the product of that

4005
02:34:39,190 --> 02:34:36,960
happening somewhere else beforehand

4006
02:34:42,389 --> 02:34:39,200
you know exactly another yeah and it's

4007
02:34:44,710 --> 02:34:42,399
an ongoing thing we're just uh a point

4008
02:34:46,550 --> 02:34:44,720
on a timeline and

4009
02:34:49,670 --> 02:34:46,560
it will happen after us and it happened

4010
02:34:52,710 --> 02:34:49,680
before us if it is the explanation and i

4011
02:34:53,750 --> 02:34:52,720
i know that in the the star trek mythos

4012
02:34:56,630 --> 02:34:53,760
um

4013
02:34:58,870 --> 02:34:56,640
the the the galaxy was seeded with

4014
02:35:01,270 --> 02:34:58,880
humanoid life and

4015
02:35:04,070 --> 02:35:01,280
i kind of i can kind of go go with that

4016
02:35:06,790 --> 02:35:04,080
it kind of neatly explains why

4017
02:35:08,870 --> 02:35:06,800
uh aliens could you know have a body

4018
02:35:10,950 --> 02:35:08,880
ahead two arms and two legs i know

4019
02:35:13,750 --> 02:35:10,960
there's a whole arguments about

4020
02:35:16,469 --> 02:35:13,760
about that but um

4021
02:35:19,590 --> 02:35:16,479
for those of us who think that life is

4022
02:35:21,750 --> 02:35:19,600
out there in the universe and like me to

4023
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:21,760
a great degree considering how big the

4024
02:35:25,670 --> 02:35:22,880
universe is

4025
02:35:28,070 --> 02:35:25,680
um i would be very surprised if we were

4026
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:28,080
the first and i'd be very surprised if

4027
02:35:32,469 --> 02:35:30,160
we were the latest we might be we're

4028
02:35:33,349 --> 02:35:32,479
probably somewhere along the middle and

4029
02:35:35,590 --> 02:35:33,359
yeah

4030
02:35:36,389 --> 02:35:35,600
good point i i absolutely concur with

4031
02:35:37,270 --> 02:35:36,399
that

4032
02:35:39,510 --> 02:35:37,280
mike

4033
02:35:42,389 --> 02:35:39,520
yeah i i don't think you even need to

4034
02:35:44,309 --> 02:35:42,399
invoke uh e.t in terms of of us getting

4035
02:35:46,469 --> 02:35:44,319
off the planet survival has been coded

4036
02:35:48,550 --> 02:35:46,479
into every life form on the planet and i

4037
02:35:51,110 --> 02:35:48,560
think as soon as as as an animal

4038
02:35:53,429 --> 02:35:51,120
realizes that their environment is

4039
02:35:56,469 --> 02:35:53,439
finite then then the survival um

4040
02:35:58,630 --> 02:35:56,479
imperative will drive them to find a way

4041
02:36:00,630 --> 02:35:58,640
around that problem um and you get that

4042
02:36:02,630 --> 02:36:00,640
if you know we've been exploring this

4043
02:36:04,950 --> 02:36:02,640
planet we've been going to every last

4044
02:36:07,110 --> 02:36:04,960
corner of it as our population expands

4045
02:36:08,950 --> 02:36:07,120
we find more and better ways to to live

4046
02:36:11,270 --> 02:36:08,960
in places where we where we otherwise

4047
02:36:14,309 --> 02:36:11,280
wouldn't have uh and i and i think that

4048
02:36:17,030 --> 02:36:14,319
um the survival imperative um would

4049
02:36:19,910 --> 02:36:17,040
drive that no matter what yeah and i

4050
02:36:22,389 --> 02:36:19,920
agree and we have not explored uh

4051
02:36:24,389 --> 02:36:22,399
at least 90 percent of the the worst the

4052
02:36:26,389 --> 02:36:24,399
world's oceans

4053
02:36:27,349 --> 02:36:26,399
and some of the subterranean

4054
02:36:29,349 --> 02:36:27,359
uh

4055
02:36:31,830 --> 02:36:29,359
you know spaces have not been fully

4056
02:36:34,389 --> 02:36:31,840
explored but i i think the whole idea of

4057
02:36:36,389 --> 02:36:34,399
survival is really imperative here

4058
02:36:38,710 --> 02:36:36,399
survival and propagation

4059
02:36:40,389 --> 02:36:38,720
are or two of the the driving forces

4060
02:36:42,950 --> 02:36:40,399
with life forms and

4061
02:36:46,389 --> 02:36:42,960
and you know gog's uh point well taken

4062
02:36:48,630 --> 02:36:46,399
here you know we may be just part of a

4063
02:36:49,429 --> 02:36:48,640
sequence of events that that

4064
02:36:51,429 --> 02:36:49,439
that

4065
02:36:54,630 --> 02:36:51,439
somehow is being propelled by these uh

4066
02:36:55,750 --> 02:36:54,640
basic instincts so it i to me i think

4067
02:37:01,590 --> 02:36:55,760
that

4068
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level we may be supplying ourselves with

4069
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the impetus to jump start

4070
02:37:08,870 --> 02:37:07,280
you know this particular survival

4071
02:37:11,510 --> 02:37:08,880
mechanism and

4072
02:37:14,150 --> 02:37:11,520
you know where the ending is where the

4073
02:37:16,389 --> 02:37:14,160
beginning was uh is totally you know

4074
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open for discussion and interpretation

4075
02:37:20,630 --> 02:37:18,800
but but i think a lot of this is slight

4076
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of hand by the collective

4077
02:37:25,590 --> 02:37:22,800
to fool ourselves into making sure that

4078
02:37:27,429 --> 02:37:25,600
we do the right thing because you know

4079
02:37:30,309 --> 02:37:27,439
potentially within a half a billion

4080
02:37:32,389 --> 02:37:30,319
years we better have or uh we're not

4081
02:37:34,950 --> 02:37:32,399
going to be here for long no choice

4082
02:37:36,790 --> 02:37:34,960
there at all okay goggs makai do you

4083
02:37:39,190 --> 02:37:36,800
have a website or a place where people

4084
02:37:41,270 --> 02:37:39,200
could find out more about you um

4085
02:37:44,230 --> 02:37:41,280
no but people can always find me at the

4086
02:37:46,070 --> 02:37:44,240
forum okay mike how about you pretty

4087
02:37:48,630 --> 02:37:46,080
much the same answer yeah i don't have a

4088
02:37:49,990 --> 02:37:48,640
website that um that people can contact

4089
02:37:51,830 --> 02:37:50,000
me on but anyone that does want to

4090
02:37:54,230 --> 02:37:51,840
contact you can get me via

4091
02:37:57,110 --> 02:37:54,240
forum.theparacast.com

4092
02:38:00,070 --> 02:37:57,120
chris tell us about your site

4093
02:38:02,309 --> 02:38:00,080
ourstrangeplanet.com

4094
02:38:04,150 --> 02:38:02,319
it's a strange planet that's why it's

4095
02:38:05,910 --> 02:38:04,160
ourstrangeplanet.com

4096
02:38:08,070 --> 02:38:05,920
you can find us on twitter

4097
02:38:09,990 --> 02:38:08,080
we're known as the powercast with the

4098
02:38:11,510 --> 02:38:10,000
powercast on twitter so follow us maybe

4099
02:38:14,309 --> 02:38:11,520
we'll follow you

4100
02:38:17,270 --> 02:38:14,319
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4101
02:38:18,870 --> 02:38:17,280
clubs on facebook and someday it's all

4102
02:38:21,030 --> 02:38:18,880
one account we'll make them one when

4103
02:38:23,830 --> 02:38:21,040
someone shows us the way or you can

4104
02:38:25,590 --> 02:38:23,840
visit us at the paracast.com and learn

4105
02:38:27,670 --> 02:38:25,600
more of the things we do

4106
02:38:30,790 --> 02:38:27,680
and also download

4107
02:38:31,670 --> 02:38:30,800
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4108
02:38:33,670 --> 02:38:31,680
cast

4109
02:38:36,070 --> 02:38:33,680
this has been our listener round table

4110
02:38:37,670 --> 02:38:36,080
thanks to gogs makai and mike jones for

4111
02:38:40,150 --> 02:38:37,680
joining us this week

4112
02:38:42,550 --> 02:38:40,160
on the paraquest okay yep thanks for

4113
02:38:44,710 --> 02:38:42,560
inviting me gene and

4114
02:38:46,630 --> 02:38:44,720
see you later thanks for inviting me uh

4115
02:38:56,309 --> 02:38:46,640
guys i've really enjoyed doing the show

4116
02:39:02,070 --> 02:38:59,190
the powercast featuring gene steinberg

4117
02:39:05,030 --> 02:39:02,080
and christopher o'brien is a copyrighted

4118
02:39:06,790 --> 02:39:05,040
presentation of making the impossible

4119
02:39:10,950 --> 02:39:06,800
incorporated